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nator
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Message 13 of 75 (319979)
06-10-2006 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by randman
06-10-2006 2:41 PM


Re: no deception
quote:
You assume God would have to be morally accountable for man's perspective and in particular your perspective so much so it is wrong if you misunderstand or misinterpret something. Basically, this is like the whiney child that complains the world isn't perfect for them.
So many believers have claimed that our moral sense, our sense of right and wrong, comes directly from God.
Indeed, Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and became as one of us, according to God Himself.
So, if we are like Adam and Eve; like God in our knowledge of good and evil as it says in Genesis that we are, can we not also judge God's actions or inactions?

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nator
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Message 17 of 75 (320001)
06-10-2006 3:25 PM
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06-10-2006 3:04 PM


Re: no deception
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But our selfishness and depravity stems from our sin, and thinking God is wrong because He made the world in a manner where not every answer is clear is the result of that depravity.
But do we or do we not possess the same Knowledge of Good and Evil as God?

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nator
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Message 21 of 75 (320080)
06-10-2006 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by randman
06-10-2006 4:02 PM


Re: no deception
So, I guess we do not have the same ability as God to discern Good from Evil according to you.
I guess Genesis has it wrong?

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nator
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Message 23 of 75 (320313)
06-10-2006 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by randman
06-10-2006 9:15 PM


Re: no deception
It's plain to me that we do have the same ability as God to discern Good from Evil if one reads Genesis plainly.
Otherwise, A&E wouldn't have been kicked out of Eden. They had already become as gods by eating of this tree and were very close to going all the way and becoming immortal if they also ate of the Tree of Life.
Oh, and it says nothing in Genesis about the Fall causing humans to lose this ability. It does mention something about the pains of childbirth and the subjigation of Women to men, and also it mentions that the earth will be much harder to work to produce crops.
Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

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Message 27 of 75 (320445)
06-11-2006 7:52 AM
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06-11-2006 1:57 AM


Re: no deception
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To be "as one of us" does not mean man is equal to God in moral clarity and perception.
Is this specifically noted to be the case in Genesis, because I read it through several times and I cannot see this caveat.
All I see is that A&E were banished from Eden for eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil because God was worried that they were half way to becoming Gods themselves. All they had left to do to become as Gods was to eat of the Tree of Life and become immortal.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 40 of 75 (320568)
06-11-2006 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Hyroglyphx
06-11-2006 1:01 PM


Re: illusions and reality
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Just by looking at the earth around you, what determination have you made that the earth is either young or old?
Starlight.

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