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lfen
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Message 10 of 75 (319962)
06-10-2006 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Phat
06-10-2006 1:54 PM


Re: no deception
We can point at the Bible and say that we don't trust the God portrayed therein, giving us our excuse.
What about the other revelations? Those of the Hindu's for example. Why aren't you using them as your excuse?
God, on the other hand, could point to us and say that since we chose to reject the Bible, we are being judged on our understanding, behavior, and in regards to what we do know.
The Bible isn't aware of itself as a book. It's a bunch of different scrolls of writings that people have compiled. Why wouldn't God point to your rejection of the Upanishads? Or Tao te Ching?
Your argument is totally sectartian. That the God the Jews understood is not the God of other people, that they had sole monopoly on communicating with the source of the universe who denied it to anyone else. That God only dealt with a very limited number of people, many of whom didn't have a very spiritual understanding when compared to people like Buddha, Lao Tzu, the authors of the Upanishads, or Ramana for example.
I think God would not want you only to pay attention to small exclusive judgemental self righteous sects but to the full range of understanding and revelation, much of which is much better sourced, preserved, and accounted for than that of the Judeo Christian collection of copies of copies of books assembled and variously translated into various collections called Bibles. I quite imagine he could ask you why you haven't availed yourself of the remarkably recent, clear, complete information that Shri Ramana Maharshi has given us about the source of the universe. And seriously, why haven't you?
lfen

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lfen
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From: Oregon
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Message 30 of 75 (320494)
06-11-2006 12:33 PM
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06-11-2006 3:22 AM


Re: no deception
without attempting to sound arrogant, I can tell the kind of stuff I can see truth and truisms within.
You don't sound arrogant to me, however, I want to point out that you are the one who consistently dismisses human knowing as fallible and yet in this statement you are basing your decisions on your human abililty to recognize truth and truisms. Have you read anything Ramana had to say?
lfen

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lfen
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From: Oregon
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Message 38 of 75 (320538)
06-11-2006 2:41 PM
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06-11-2006 1:48 PM


Re: no deception
This is not pantheism. It does not mean that the sum total
of all beings added together makes up God but that God manifests
as all beings without ever ceasing to be the universal Unmanifested
Self. The nearest analogy (though all analogies are incomplete) is a
dream, since all the dream creatures are manifestations of your
mind, having no existence outside you, while you continue as you
were, complete and unchanged, before, during and after the dream.
Actually there never has been a doctrine of pantheism. The best definition of the term would probably be: "A Western misinterpretation of Eastern doctrines".
Arthur Osborne Be Still, It Is The Wind That Sings pg 52
Osborne was a Westerner and a disciple of Ramana and this is from one of his books. The book is available free in pdf format on the the internet. It does differ doctrinally in some key areas with Christian dogma as I understand it. There are Hindu dualists also who deny Advaita and teach either Davaita or a modified non dualism as they feel themselves to have a separate reality so dualism vs. non-dualism is not strictly divided East and West by any means.
I appreciate your willingness to see value outside your chosen tradition.
lfen

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