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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design or unthinking blasphemy?
arachnophilia
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Message 22 of 162 (320300)
06-10-2006 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Modulous
06-10-2006 9:08 PM


Re: Good design = less errors. God design = no errors
God can be seen as the epitome of forethought with no need for error. The first trial is right.
someone hasn't read genesis 6 recently...
but its not blasphemous to consider that God thought about creating man, how man would be built and what man's purpose would be, and then created it. The creation is perfect because the plan is perfect.
yet man is anything but perfect, as the bible and its believers are the first to claim.


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arachnophilia
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Message 25 of 162 (320327)
06-10-2006 11:43 PM
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06-10-2006 11:31 PM


Re: Good design = less errors. God design = no errors
...yeah, what?
Obviously man is flawed - but the whole point of the design the ultimate purpose.
...so the fact that man is flawed is part of the perfect design? sounds a bit wanky to me.
Theological technicalities such as God seems to make mistakes etc are not in the remit of my discussion, though it is another flaw in the reasoning that it is blasphemy to consider God as something that makes mistakes.
no, i think it's an important point. if god can look at his creation, and say "oh, hm, it's not good that i've made man without a companion" and then makes man a wife -- god is using trial an error. if god can look at man and go "oh. damn, i'm sorry i even tried this." then god can make errors -- by his own claim.
you can say god is perfect all you want -- but we are not. and that buggers the whole argument. perfection cannot be an argument for design if the designor himself calls it imperfect.


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arachnophilia
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Message 45 of 162 (320800)
06-12-2006 12:44 PM
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06-12-2006 12:37 PM


Re: blasphemy! blasphemy mucho!
It is however, blasphemous to add to the Revelations which God has provided, ID attempts to do this.
If God left evidence, that it was designed with forethought, then it isn't blasphemous to point it out then.
It is also blasphemous to insist that science must agree with the Bible.
I'm not sure that is true, could you provide some kind of source for that?
there's a story in the bible, in 2nd samuel 24, and 1st chronicles 21, where david takes a census of israel, and is punished for it.
he's punished, because god had promised abraham that his descendants would be as plentiful as the stars, or grains of sand on a beach. by COUNTING them, david is breaking god's promise.
so apparently, sometimes checking god's details is bad.


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