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Intelligent Design or unthinking blasphemy?

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Message 29 of 162 (320385)
06-11-2006 1:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 28 by ringo
06-11-2006 1:00 AM

a design for a self healing universe
If God's design was for a system that was selfhealing where life would continue, is that something that could be considered? Is ID at the most basic level, the forces, the process of evolution, the very basic structure of the universe unthinking blaspemy?
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If the design is for basic fabric of a universe where even the unimaginable destruction of a star provides building blocks for new creation, is that unthinking blasphemy?
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jar
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Message 36 of 162 (320704)
06-12-2006 7:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 34 by Shh
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Re: a design for a self healing universe
Maybe not, but it still suggests a Deist theology, and that could be blasphemous, remember God can move in and out of Creation at will, and does so, and this "design" implies that the basic "stuff" has properties which God must work around.
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Why?
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The act of creation described does not preclude specific interaction or that GOD must "work around some existing properties".
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If I have a basic car that runs just fine I can still add an 8-track player.
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I'm not sure how what I describe must be either deist or limiting. IMHO if you look at religion the main interaction between GOD and man is in the area of behavior, guidance.
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06-13-2006 11:51 AM 		Reply to: Message 52 by ringo
06-13-2006 11:18 AM

Re: trial and error, go together like....
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So in a sense, God engages in trial and error?
Ringo writes:
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Well, the Biblical God does, with or without the "parallel" scenario. But I don't think the "real" God would have to.
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The Biblical God of Genesis 2 is a trail & error guy, but the Biblical God of Genesis 1 is not. The God of Genesis 1 does no planning, no design, no trial & error, no rough drafts and teh outcome is "very good".
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08-16-2006 9:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 62 by Hyroglyphx
08-16-2006 8:12 PM

Re: To err is human, to forgive divine
It sounds as though you are beginning to understand my objection. God, if He/She/It/They exist, then at some point had to engineer, i.e. 'Design,' all that is actual and to bring it to fruition. That's why I'm not understanding how you can maintain your beliefs as congruant.
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Why?
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Message 128 of 162 (348214)
09-11-2006 8:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 127 by 2ice_baked_taters
09-11-2006 8:07 PM

Re: Laymans terms?
What if we remove the assumtion of God from ID and simply ask if there is evidence of design?
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The answer is simple. No!
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