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Shh
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Message 15 of 75 (319993)
06-10-2006 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by randman
06-10-2006 2:44 PM


Re: No Deception Atol.
Hi Randman,
You said...
Think of it like a computer program that generates a story, but if something changes in the programming, the story changes from beginning to end.
But don't you now have to think up a reason for God to have made this occur? And what changed in the story?
Also if this is the case then the world was simultaneously, created in six days, and is as old as science suggests, in which case why argue for a young earth?

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Shh
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Message 26 of 75 (320437)
06-11-2006 7:03 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by randman
06-11-2006 1:57 AM


Re: no deception
a good example being claiming that if something looks to an evo one way based on evos adopting prejudicial assumptions, that somehow this is all God's fault.
No offense, but this theory opens up some vast problems imo.
The story of the fall has always looked silly to me. God punishes Adam and Eve for breaking a rule. The rule is not to eat the fruit.
Eating the fruit is an evil/sinful act, but without eating the fruit, they cannot understand this.
Catch22? I thought so.
Now, tho it appears that the eating of the fruit, which caused man's ability to commit evil, may have caused them to decide to eat the fruit in the first place.
But it's even more nosensical than punishing them for becoming capable of understanding good and evil, which is a perrequisite of being good.
Make any sense to you?

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Shh
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Message 56 of 75 (321038)
06-13-2006 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by randman
06-12-2006 6:46 PM


Re: no deception
So they had a choice. Trust that God will enlighten them in due course, or enlighten themselves in disobedience to God.
This doesn't change anything in my view, how were they supposed to make the "right" choice without understanding what "right" is?
First off, they knew it was wrong to eat the fruit. They just did not "know" in the sense of be acquainted with the knowledge of good and evil. Think of "know" in this sense in the way a man "knows" his wife. They were not intimate with this knowledge, but they still knew they were doing wrong. So just on a factual level, you misread it.
This makes no sense to me whatsoever, what's carnal knowledge got to do with moral knowledge?

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