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ramoss
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Message 28 of 75 (320451)
06-11-2006 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Buzsaw
06-09-2006 9:56 PM


Re: No Deception Atol.
That is a bad analogy. It would take much more work to put the proper ratios, and all the little details to 'age' the earth. That is everything from the sedement layers, to the glaciers, to the radiometric dating, and other various items.
The only conclusion I personally draw is that it isn't that God deceived man about the age of the earth.. but man deceived himself by declaring that god made a young earth.

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Message 29 of 75 (320453)
06-11-2006 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by randman
06-10-2006 9:15 PM


Re: no deception
And I suggest that you do, particualry the book of Genesis.
I would also suggest you read it with a good Jewish commentary.
The items you claim are in there are not in there at all, if you look at it from a Hebrew perspective.
As a matter of fact, the entire story of Adam and Eve has so much puns and political commnetary in it, it is obvious it is not really history at all. It also says nothing about the age of the world. That is something that was read INTO it, rather than something that was inherent to the story.

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Message 43 of 75 (320671)
06-11-2006 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Hyroglyphx
06-11-2006 1:01 PM


Re: illusions and reality
What illusion is in the age of the earth? I feel that there is good evidence to support both a young earth and old earth hypothesis. In fact, Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research give lengthy reasons for why they believe the earth is young, while Reasons to Believe gives lengthy reasons for why the age of the earth is very old. I guess I'd have to ask, what deception is there in that the earth is either young or old? Just by looking at the earth around you, what determination have you made that the earth is either young or old? I have to first ask this question in order to go into anything else.
The 'evidence' of a young earth is based on scientific ignorance and self deception. Yes, we can just look around us, and see that the earth is much older than 6-12,000 years. Just look at the layers of sandstone that get deposited one season at a time, and we can eliminate the 'young earth'. Look at the layers of yearly snowfall in glaciers, and we can eliminate that as a hypthosis.

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Message 58 of 75 (321275)
06-13-2006 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by ringo
06-12-2006 4:09 PM


Re: Its the Reality, Stupid!
Of course, one point about the fall is that Adam and Eve would be 'sinless' before. They obviusly could do wrong. The only difference
before and after is that after , they KNEW what they were doing was wrong.

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Message 73 of 75 (321433)
06-14-2006 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by randman
06-14-2006 1:47 AM


Re: no deception
What did they not have before eating of the fruit of the Tree?
They did not have the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They were unable to determine if something was right or wrong. If they were able to do that, then, they already would have KNOWN about right and wrong.
They might have been told, but without understanding of the consequences.
They had the ability to do wrong. Just not the knowledge to know if what they did was wrong or not.
In other words, god set them up. If man did not begin to know the difference between right and wrong, man would have been forever like that animals. It is that knowlege that brings man closer to god, by giving him a choice to life a sanctified life by choosing good over evil.

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