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sidelined
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Message 66 of 75 (321332)
06-14-2006 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by randman
06-14-2006 2:12 AM


Re: no deception
randman
they were not intimate with the concept...that's true, and so they lacked knowledge, but that doesn't mean they didn't know it was wrong to disobey God and eat the fruit.
You do know that you have contradicted yourself in this sentence don't you?
To lack knowledge is the same as saying you do not know. So yes , they did not know that it was wrong to eat the fruit. This does not mean to say they cannot understand the command given to them not to eat the fruit, just that they cannot comprehend the moral issue behind it.
That said they were indeed obeying God as evidenced by Eve's words to the serpent "And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."
This explains succicntly the reason why the serpent was successful in his deception. Eve had no judgemental ability for the good or bad of her actions and could not form an account of the outcome of her actions.

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sidelined
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Message 71 of 75 (321422)
06-14-2006 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by randman
06-14-2006 2:34 AM


Re: no deception
randman
Nope, not at all. You can lack knowledge of an area or thing but still know about the thing.
We are talking about knowing the difference between good and evil.
They knew it was wrong, but they didn't have an intimacy with what wrong really was
??? If they knew that it was wrong eve could have argued such with the serpent. She did not.
For example, I know what a woman's cycle is, but I haven't experienced it, and so my knowledge is limited.
So by way of analogy Eve knew what evil was but had not experienced it so her knowledge was limited is that what you are saying here?
is this 1984 or something? She clearly knows God doesn't want them to eat the fruit. Isn't that what it says?
And she did not eat of the tree. She was obeying the command and expressed such to the serpent. Since she did not understand{unless you now wish to state that there was death before the fall} the implications of disobeying she could not have understood that which the serpent was asking of her.
Why does God create a serpent to trick Eve when she was obeying the command he asked of her?
Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

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