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kuresu
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Message 65 of 87 (322885)
06-18-2006 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Hyroglyphx
06-18-2006 11:33 AM


Re: The evolutionists argument of incredulity
I may be wrong in what fallacycop was trying to say, but if we were intelligently designed, why the heck would there be a non-functioning gene? And why would the creator make the break in the exact same point? There's no rhyme or reason then, no pattern that can be predicted. But, if evolution is true, which it is (scientifically true, that is), then it makes sense to say that chimps and us share an ancestor. And looking at this broken gene and making a cladistics chart with it leads to a similar chart as the one based off of other characteristics. Also, the broken gene isn't responsible for any phenotype. Again, you can't answer why the creator chose to make the exact same break in the exact same gene for two different species, but evolution has an answer to the problem.
Also, those however million base pairs that aren't found on the chimp genome, you have to remember, we've one (or is it two?) chromosomes more than them. And chromosomes have a huge number of genes (particularly ours, seeing as how they are so long).

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kuresu
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Message 67 of 87 (322896)
06-18-2006 12:32 PM
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06-18-2006 11:58 AM


Re: Watching the topic.
I stand corrected. Now once yo've said it, it makes sense, because two chimp genes fused into one of ours (or, rather, chromosomes)
And I wasn't the one who brought up the number of mutations necessary--that was NJ. Sorry for the diversion, though.

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kuresu
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Message 75 of 87 (323646)
06-19-2006 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by RAZD
06-19-2006 11:31 PM


Re: color coded card analogy
isn't math great. it allows one to prove logic and things like the nested heirarchy (that IS objective) beyond a shadow of a doubt. And all your opponent can do is say "but. . . but . . .but". I'm glad I was able to understand the math behind your argument RAZD. I often find myself unable to understand the more advanced concepts (because my foundation is kinda weak, which is why I'm beefing it up this summer)

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kuresu
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Message 78 of 87 (324154)
06-20-2006 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by RAZD
06-20-2006 9:17 PM


Re: color coded card analogy and biology? does it hold up?
it's more logic than math
Of course, math is nothing but logic. Even those wierd logs (which I just got, and, scarily enough for me, I'm finding them fun. Wait, fun in math? Wow, I've changed).

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