Formal and Informal Logic

ok try this fun gamelist 5 advantages of free will ,assuming god exists and loves you .list 5 disadvantages of no free will but a paln life for you , assuming gods exists and loves you .

sorryi meant by my stated questions that you could have free will and god exsist at the same time .... as you defining god does have a problem with the exsistance of free will ... this that statement that as god is all powerful and has no limits he can grant you free will , while still retaining his unlimited powers and vision .

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i understand logic constrants , but can your logic cope with the idea of a god who caan step back a see the whole of time as one picture , a single frame so to speak ,
thus he can see you at time = 1 thinking about option a or b ,
he can see you at time = 10 making a free will choice between a and b
and he can see you at time =100 experiencing the effects of the choice .from gods point of view all three time points are similtanious there is no past present or future but a view of everything , god see the whole universe including all time points of said universe . does this logic not also mean god has no free will , as god cannot change time as he has effects on things subject to time , then god is part of the time flow .??can you use formal logic to show an possible expersion of free will , that thus shows the future is not fixed ??Edited by AdminNWR, : off topic

sorry did not mean to stay off topic , i was trying to see how and if the use of formal logic could apply to things that do not seem commanly logical . i was using free will as a test subject to have the disipline of logic applied to it . clear needs a different topic . again sorry .

do we not chosse to create moral standpoints , above and beyond the inherited survial instincts .the person who refuses to kill even when their country is at war ..and the person who will commit murder because they belive in their cause ....both create a moral justfication for their standpoint , it may be personal ,but it is as absolute and real as any other standpoint that that person may take , moral , scientific , religious or otherwise ...and that person will use any form of logic to confirm their view as the correct one ....thus making the moral standpoint far from grondless or meaningless or just a survival instinct .

but if it groundless AND at the same time supported by formal logical argument where does these leave logic as a tool , does it not highlight the problem that logic is no more that a academic set of rules to play a game that has little relevence the real human experience ... are not the rules of logic arbitrary in that the are a produce of humans and have no foundation beyond the agreement to use them . it seems to me modern man is rapidly detacting its self from any herd , we now live isolated in our homes with only the closest of family member , if that , i know in the UK the number of one person homes is rapidly rising , we are becoming lone humans and we mark our territory very hard , what is moral is a inward question , not a society one these days ,