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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
i think one argument for the immorality of homosexuality would be the shirking of a biological and familial responsibility to pass on genetic information. Children have a duty to their ancestors to carry on the family line. Of course, that aspect of morality is really between the parties involved.
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
quote:actually strictly speaking, not hers, but mayhaps her partner's. lesbianism doesn't really factor in quote:if her parents condoned it, then what can i say? edit: nm, parents aren't final say, yes, it's immoral quote:we have a difference of opinion, my view is based on an opinion you don't hold, so yeah. People aren't born on the condition they reproduce, it'd just be dutiful of them to do so; and to me duty is an aspect of morality. Edited by AlienInvader, : corrected your moral lesbianism to immoral lesbianism Edited by AlienInvader, : nm Edited by AlienInvader, : realised, yeah disservice to the people before parents
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
i'm saying her partner is immoral... she's fine.
yes, squandered oppurtunity/investment... immoral, but less so than the children thing... our parents "live on" through us... it's sorta like killing them and grandparents... if the ancestors don't mind... then it's like euthanasia, which i'm ok with.
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
it's a difficult case to make, and while the viewpoint in some aspects reflect my own, i tend to shy away from absolutes. one can make a case for it, but it's stretching it.
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
more or less...
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
quote:fundamentally different machinery. i'd like to see a woman use a urinal. Plus we're disgusting, i doubt woman would want to inhabit the same... conditions that we leave our restrooms in. of course, nothing really restricts woman from using male restrooms, and some do, in times of "crisis" ^_^. The difference in race is that, though racists can claim that they are "superior" there is no real physical difference between the races. If a race crapped out of their heads we'd have a separate bathroom for them too. edit: right now, the signs are really to help us find the machines more suited to our... needs. They male/female division is not enforced. Edited by AlienInvader, : addendum
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
quote:as it is now, it's not really segregated as nobody is enforcing it, as people have pointed out, and yes i know they have female urinals in asia, and yes, i can imagine it would be possible to use an american urinal. quote:you're right, women piss all over the floor too quote:you're the one who brought up a really crappy analogy.
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
quote:well then i'm wrong, but it's still a crappy analogy because division by sex really isn't bigotry, as much as saying... guys should get tampons.
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
oh,i share your viewpoint and i didn't even read your original argument, i was simply responding to a bad analogy
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
quote:bottleneck quote:i think the reason you don't have women's urinals isn't because it can't be used, but because it is more difficult to maintain privacy. the urinal would need a stall also. quote:And as i said before, nobody enforces segregation of bathrooms based on sex. Women use the men's room all the time. quote:i meant structural differences to the extent of something like, secondary sexual structures. quote: quote:they are free to hold that view, of course we all agree that that also shouldn't influence public policy. I maintain that sexual "segregation" is justified in a practical context with little regards to bigotry. quote:no, it boils down to... we don't pee the same way, and practical constraints probably prohibit the "lots of toilets and lots of urinals" thing. size of rooms, privacy, safety. quote:so, they've got dicks too? wow, really similar. Yeah they've got urethras and all that, but they can't really aim. We have actual developmental differences. Unless of course you're telling me, women can impregnate each other now.
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
no, i still would have argued the analogy. ^_^
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
quote:oddly enough, i've never actually enjoyed that game quote:bottlenecking was regarding that segment that i quoted specifically. and it involves, i guess turnover rate for men in hte toilet case. urinals take less time, oh and less water. quote:... if the men's room is broken, i don't think anyone would mind. It doesn't cut the other way because it's never necessary and never happens. quote:i wasn't aware and i don't think it matters in as much as public norms. quote:not quite as easy to use privacy and safety across race. Sexual dimorphism is a little more... pronounced than racial... ??poly-morphism?? quote:... says you. seperate urinary openings justify different toilets. different toilets are facilitated by separate facilities. how they are facilitated? trafficking of people, safety, all that good stuff quote:some things were harsher than laws. society was wrong. "Whites could physically beat Blacks with impunity. Blacks had little legal recourse against these assaults because the Jim Crow criminal justice system was all-White: police, prosecutors, judges, juries, and prison officials." What was Jim Crow - Jim Crow Museum quote:that's part of my frickin argument. for lack of a better word, the "shaft" makes all the difference. quote:i may go back and forth, but at least i'm on target. quote:i'm actually highlighting developmental differences, in that it is impossible for women to impregnate women, even if one of them did have sperm, for very obvious physical that i can argue for it at all, whereas i cannot argue for racial segregation, indicates that there is a decent difference between the two.
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AlienInvader Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 48 From: MD Joined: |
quote:then you must not be a man ^_^. and i was joking with the never i've never been in a situation, hell i can't even dream of a situation in which a man needs to use the women's facilities... of course that statement also argues for the disparity between the two facilities, but yeah. quote:don't have to navigate a stall/door, hence negligible save in time so comes down to water. quote:... i've never heard of more options being a bad thing or taking more time. quote:privacy and space constraints quote:wouldn't work like that, unless you mean those high pressure low flows. quote:... i'm actually saying, there's a definitive line. racial differences are not really structural differences, more like structural modifications. quote:i'm saying it was an unwritten law and minorities weren't able to use them any more than minorities were able to talk to white women. That wasn't a law either i don't believe. quote:the great thing about the design is the small space requirements, the conservation of water, the accesibility, and the easy privacy. urinals for women, would get rid of the space for a stall, because it's not easy to make private. All it would retain is the conservation of water. a toilet with less funcionality basically. quote: quote:i don't think these, i'm assuming rare cases, should effect public policy, and i don't really get what you are pointing out.quote: quote:nothing at all prevents him, but you don't really need to go and facilitate the contact quote:i think that would be my ideal, but somehow they don't go for it. arghh this is frustrating and so so so so off topic.
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