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Author Topic:   Is Gay Marriage Immoral?
ringo
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Message 10 of 134 (331996)
07-15-2006 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by LudoRephaim
07-15-2006 1:17 PM


What's in and what's out and why?
I read a book once which purported to be a Christian "sex manual". (Yes, it was as boring as it sounds. )
It claimed that anal sex between heterosexual, married-in-church couples is "wrong" because "gays do it". On the other hand, it claimed that oral sex between heterosexual, married-in-church couples is "okay" because it's an "intimate expression of love".
I never understood the dichotomy. I wonder if you have any insight on that?

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Message 13 of 134 (332002)
07-15-2006 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by macaroniandcheese
07-15-2006 2:51 PM


Re: Here we goooooo!!!!!!!
brennakini writes:
it was worse that a man be feminine than anything else.
I wonder where sex changes fall into the whole anti-gay thing. Is it immoral to have a sex change? Is it immoral to marry somebody of the same gender you used to be?
(Is it a hardware issue or a software issue? )

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Message 18 of 134 (332019)
07-15-2006 4:24 PM
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07-15-2006 3:13 PM


Re: Here we goooooo!!!!!!!
brennakimi writes:
it's probably a sin to have a sex change since god made you exactly how he wanted you....
So, if God made me with a heart defect, it would be a sin to repair that surgically, too.
... all plastic surgery wold have to be a sin. also, piercings, tattoos, hair dye, perms, makeup, and so forth.
Glasses (I always picture Faith wearing glasses), orthopedic shoes, wheelchairs....
Sin gets to be pretty complicated, don't it?

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Message 66 of 134 (335452)
07-26-2006 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by AlienInvader
07-26-2006 10:48 AM


Re: bigotry
AlienInvader writes:
fundamentally different machinery. i'd like to see a woman use a urinal.
That's exactly why it makes sense to coeducationalize the bathrooms - urinals for the men, toilets for the women (and for the men only when needed). The status quo provides inadequate facilities for the women and often-unused facilities for the men.
Plus we're disgusting, i doubt woman would want to inhabit the same... conditions that we leave our restrooms in.
That's a misconception. In fact, women are much messier in the bathroom than men.
Which points us back toward the topic: It isn't a real physical difference between whites and blacks that causes bigotry - it's a perceived difference. Bigots perceive blacks as "dirty" and "disgusting" and don't want to share a bathroom with them.
Similarly, bigots perceive gay sex as "disgusting", even though it has absolutely no effect on them.

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Message 74 of 134 (335542)
07-26-2006 5:40 PM
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07-26-2006 4:55 PM


Re: bigotry
AlienInvader writes:
you're the one who brought up a really crappy analogy.
No I'm not. I only responded to an existing discussion about "bathroom bigotry".
And my point still stands. It is bigotry to deny blacks the use of "our" bathrooms because we perceive them to be "dirty" or "disgusting". It is also bigotry to deny gays the use of anything that is "ours" (e.g. marriage) because we perceive them to be "dirty" or "disgusting".

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Message 77 of 134 (335600)
07-26-2006 11:31 PM
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07-26-2006 10:40 PM


Re: bigotry
AlienInvader writes:
... it's still a crappy analogy because division by sex really isn't bigotry....
You're still missing the point.
I'm not talking about division by sex. That was an aside and off-topic. Forget about that.
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This is the point I was trying to make:
It is bigotry to exclude black people from "white" bathrooms on the grounds that black people are "dirty" or "disgusting".
Got that?
Similarly, it is bigotry to exclude gay people from any rights or privileges that straight people enjoy on the grounds that gay people are "dirty" or "disgusting". Marriage is a right and/or priviledge enjoyed by straight people. Denying that right/privilege to gay people on the grounds that they are "dirty" or "disgusting" is bigotry.
Is that clear? I can try to make it even clearer if you still don't get it.

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Message 88 of 134 (335733)
07-27-2006 12:41 PM
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07-27-2006 10:31 AM


Re: bigotry
AlienInvader writes:
i didn't even read your original argument
You'll save us all a lot of time if you read before posting.

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Message 90 of 134 (335768)
07-27-2006 2:40 PM
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07-27-2006 2:29 PM


Re: bigotry
AlienInvader writes:
i still would have argued the analogy
Well, don't.
Argue the topic.

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