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crashfrog
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Message 1 of 47 (335418)
07-26-2006 10:05 AM


From Andrew Sullivan, as originally reported by somebody else:
quote:
Louise Casselman, who was at that White House Yale reunion with her husband, Kirk Casselman and a Bay Area contingent, says that although Yale was still all-male in 1968, one alum has since had a sex-change operation. "You might remember me as Peter when we left Yale," said the woman upon coming face to face with the president. George W. didn't pause for a moment, reports Casselman, grabbed the alumna's hand, and said "Now you've come back as yourself." Casselman says the host was generous and open.
I think that's an amazing thing to say. My reaction to reading that was quite profound.
But how can it be Bush that said that? The guy who nearly choked to death on a pretzel? The guy who complained that too many OBGYN's are unable to practice "their love of women?"
I guess I can't actually verify the quote, and a lot of people on both sides don't believe he could actually say that. It is hard to imagine someone who could extend such a gesture of tolerance to a marginalized person and then turn around and support the Federal Marriage Amendment. It's hard to imagine someone with such a profound difficulty with extemporaneous speaking - or speaking of any kind, really - suddenly offering such a marvelous turn of phrase.

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crashfrog
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Message 17 of 47 (336550)
07-30-2006 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by randman
07-26-2006 2:55 PM


Re: Be honest here....
Randman, I'm going to ask you once to stop. Gay marrriage is not the topic of this thread. The topic is the verification of a statement that it appears impossible for Bush to have actually said without having been fed the line.

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crashfrog
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Message 20 of 47 (336625)
07-30-2006 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by randman
07-30-2006 5:12 AM


Re: Be honest here....
You are saying that no one of tolerance could support the Federal Marriage Amendment, right? So in order to answer your OP, dealing with the issue of gay marriage is relevant, correct?
No, it isn't relevant. There's another thread for gay marriage; take your arguments over there.
The simple fact is Bush is reported to quite good at quick, insightful statements in private, very good in fact, and so there is no reason whatsoever to think he was fed the line.
Reported by who? Is this the same kind of reporting that reported that he was fluent in Spanish?

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crashfrog
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Message 24 of 47 (336690)
07-30-2006 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by randman
07-30-2006 5:04 PM


Re: Be honest here....
Ted Kennedy
Are you under the mistaken impression that I would believe anything that you say? Seriously?
Evidence, Randman. I realize that it doesn't exist for most of your assertions but you could at least attempt to provide some.

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crashfrog
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Message 28 of 47 (336703)
07-30-2006 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by randman
07-30-2006 5:26 PM


Re: Be honest here....
I provided all sorts of evidence, convictions, etc,....of the DNC taking bribes from China (even they admit it but claim they were merely illegal donations), and you act like it never happened.
It didn't happen. Sorry, it didn't. Maybe your browser is eating posts? Because I certainly didn't see any evidence, just allegations - your own, and those of others.
Crash, my experience with you is that no amount of evidence can sway you at all.
Funny, my experience with you is that you never provide any. I wonder why that's the case?

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crashfrog
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Message 41 of 47 (336928)
07-31-2006 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by nator
07-31-2006 10:01 AM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
He was only elected once.
Well, it's beyond question that he did not actually win the 2000 election. Gore was the winner of Florida, not Bush, and the Supreme Court acted beyond its constitutional authority when it appointed Bush to the presidency.
And I think the case is pretty solid that Kerry was the winner of the 2004 election, as well. The statistical anomalies that overwhelmingly favored Bush nationally, and particularly in the contested states, simply can't be dismissed. All attempts so far to rebut those anomalies have compared them to the 2000 election - an obviously invalid rebuttal since the 2000 election was stolen!
So I don't think it's accurate to say that Bush has ever been elected President of the United States.

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crashfrog
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Message 43 of 47 (338088)
08-05-2006 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by riVeRraT
07-31-2006 5:01 PM


Re: Bush is paying the price in brain damage
If it was, then he wouldn't have got elected.
He didn't. By any statistical analysis, he never has.
That's what his advisors are for
Then why don't we elect them?

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