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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design or unthinking blasphemy?
RickJB
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Message 82 of 162 (340977)
08-18-2006 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Hyroglyphx
08-17-2006 10:38 PM


Re: Omniscience and knowability
remesis writes:
We don't need to identify what the Desginer is through science.
Exactly, so why expect science to pay heed to ID? The only "evidence" for ID is an endless round of PRATT-based ToE criticism. No positive evidence.
Do you agree, therefore, that ID is not science and must be kept out of science class?

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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days)
Posts: 917
From: London, UK
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Message 100 of 162 (341295)
08-19-2006 3:08 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Hyroglyphx
08-18-2006 7:41 PM


Re: Omniscience and knowability
nemesis writes:
ID is being unbiased by not attempting to ascertain who or what the Designer(s) is/are.
Riiiight. So ignorance is now equated to being "unbiased", yes?
I'll tell you what, I dare you climb to the top of a tall building and jump off. I predict that gravity will send you crashing to a sticky end, but of course I could just be "biased" towards the idea of gravity...
nemesis writes:
I really don't know why many people think that arguments in support of ID only entail negative aspects about evolution. That is patently false.
It's patently true! The creation wiki consistently misinterprets, misrepresents or criticses mainstream scentific research. The depth of the writers knowledge of these fields is demonstrably limited. There are no positive hypotheses.
nemesis writes:
There is a list of a hundreds of arguments in support of it.
And absolutely NO evidence. ID is rhetoric.
nemesis writes:
I agree that teaching theology has no place within the science classroom.
Agreed. ID is theology. But then you weasel out of this statement with some ridiculous mental gymnastics..
nemesis writes:
ID simply seeks to recognize that a cognizance beyond our own explains through scientific inquiry the bases for our existence, this should be introduced into the curricula.
If, as you say, ID is not attempting to ascertain who or what the Designer is, then what science does ID have to teach?
I can imagine the lesson...
Teacher: Last month we talked about evolution and we looked into the evidence that exists to support it. Today we'll look at ID. ID says that a designer made everything. That's it for ID.
Katie(sits at the front): That's it? But designed by who?
Teacher: No one knows. ID doesn't even try to know.
Katie: How?
Teacher: No one knows. ID doesn't get into how.
Katie: So there's no evidence?
Teacher: I'm afraid not, Katie, but there are hundreds of arguments that say it is true.
Katie: So what can you teach us about the ID process?
Teacher: I'm afraid that's it, Katie. We're done. There goes the lunch bell!

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