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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design or unthinking blasphemy?
sidelined
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Message 83 of 162 (340986)
08-18-2006 3:02 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Hyroglyphx
08-17-2006 10:38 PM


Re: Omniscience and knowability
nemesis_juggernaut
However, you are confusing Intelligent Design with creationism. We don't need to identify what the Desginer is through science. That aspect is scientifically impossible
Then how do you arrive at the conclusion that the design is implemented by intelligence? Indeed,as a matter of topic here,what do you consider intelligence to mean as applies intelligent design?

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Message 101 of 162 (341364)
08-19-2006 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Hyroglyphx
08-18-2006 7:47 PM


Re: Omniscience and knowability
nemesis_juggernaut
Because there is far too much order to come by way of chance after chance after chance. The odds that we've managed to stave off total annihilation in 4.5 billion years of time without the intervention of some higher cognizance is inconcievable.
Before I comment I would like you to specify the chances that you are speaking about, that I may not try to debate the wrong instance. As you proceed to do this, though,perhaps you can explain the order that,I assume, is present in any 'higher cognizance' as you put it.
Since you assert that the order present in the universe is impossible to have simply come about by chance then surely the order that this intelligence takes also cannot have 'just happened'. What would be the source of order found here?
Things don't just magically happen, least of all, life coming from non-life. I believe that Occam's Razor in defense of ID so far beyond the normative theory of macroevolution to the point of it being insuperable.
Well since Occam's razor states that "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity" then even when you explain the universe in terms of an intelligence then the model has many unnecessary assumptions that are already addressed by TOE through natural means.
Thus the TOE has less entities required to explain things than yours does and ,further,it does not operate on chance alone but is directed through natural selection.

Dear Mrs Chown, Ignore your son's attempts to teach you physics. Physics isn't the most important thing. Love is.
Best wishes, Richard Feynman.

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Message 106 of 162 (341472)
08-19-2006 6:45 PM
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08-19-2006 4:48 PM


Re: Miracle and Magic
Buzsaw
Magic is seldom used in common everyday speach in reference to the supernatural aspects of God. The universal primary word for that is miracle.
What would be the practical difference between a miraculous event and a magical one Buz old buddy?

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