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Author Topic:   Is the TOE falsifiable and if it was, would it advance Biblical Creationism
kuresu
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Message 40 of 169 (343775)
08-26-2006 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
08-26-2006 2:42 PM


Re: A puzzle
The contents of the Bible are meant to be believed, not proved.
good. so now you will no longer try to prove that the flood did happen and that the earth is only x thousand years old. that the fall is real, and the cause of all our misery, that God is real, or anything else in the bible really, really did happen?
or is that just a slip up, and the bible should be accepted as the truth?

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kuresu
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Message 44 of 169 (343796)
08-26-2006 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
08-26-2006 10:02 PM


Re: A puzzle
ahh, but it is your truth. not another's truth. in fact, no one else's truth will do. only yours.
good thing science isn't based off of belief. Then we wouldn't get anywhere, would we?
"no, my truth is right!"
"no it's not, mine is!"
(academy of sciences in some unkown place in the universe, following the wrong rules of science)

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kuresu
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Message 47 of 169 (343819)
08-27-2006 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Faith
08-26-2006 11:09 PM


Re: A puzzle
I think you got my purpose crossed.
when I said
good. so now you will no longer try to prove that the flood did happen and that the earth is only x thousand years old. that the fall is real, and the cause of all our misery, that God is real, or anything else in the bible really, really did happen?or is that just a slip up, and the bible should be accepted as the truth?
it was in response to something you said.
when asked if the fact that nothing about the past can be known included the bible, you said yes. which would mean that the flood can't be known, that the wars can't be known, that everything in any way historical in the bible might not have really happened.
But you do belief they happen, in fact you KNOW they happened. It is all true. which makes your statement that nothing about the past can be known, including that which is in the bible, contradictory.
I know a lot more about evolution than just 1% of it. I don't know all of it, true, but . . .
I'm glad you sorted out the contradiction with the end of your post, though. Which means that the past can be known. which means that the bible can be proved, not just believed. actually, this whole thing is screwed up. my fualt, partially. let's start from the beginning.
faith writes
The reason it's unfalsifiable is that there is no way to prove anything about the past
to which rickJB responds with
Does this assertion include the content of the Bible?
to which Faith responds
Of course. The contents of the Bible are meant to be believed, not proved.
which is when I enter the picture.
what you have said, so far, amounts to this.
nothing about the past can be known, including what's in the bible, and the bible is to be believed, not proved.
So I state that either you will stop trying to prove the flood and whatnot, or that you screwed up, and meant to say that the bible is true.
If the later is the case (which it is:
If one believes something, one believes it is the truth.
) that means that things about the past can be known.
which makes your statements contradictory. That's what I was getting at.
this latter part makes more sense, no?

All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

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kuresu
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Message 58 of 169 (343977)
08-27-2006 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Faith
08-27-2006 11:55 AM


Re: A puzzle
the contradiction lies here
Nothing about the past can be proven, including what's in the bible, and yet, the bible is great evidence to prove the past.
now do you see it?
cause that's pretty much what you said.

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kuresu
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Message 66 of 169 (344054)
08-27-2006 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Archer Opteryx
08-27-2006 8:07 PM


Re: Creationism's blown opportunity
really off topic--it sounds like you went to an american university.
Are you from the US, and currently live in Taiwan,
or are you Taiwanese, who studied abroad in the US?

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kuresu
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Message 73 of 169 (344098)
08-27-2006 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
08-27-2006 10:55 PM


Re: OK I'll cahnge my mind
or, better yet, you can show how the semi-conservative model of DNA replication is completely wrong.
That is, in sexually reproducing organisms, half come from one and half from the other.
or, still better, you can show how variation and natural selection do not produce the diversity of life that we see. because that is the core foundation of ToE.

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kuresu
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Message 122 of 169 (344265)
08-28-2006 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Hawks
08-28-2006 3:30 AM


Re: OK I'll cahnge my mind
sure--
That is, in sexually reproducing organisms, half come from one and half from the other." to do. Care to elaborate?
I screwed up. I used the wrong explanation for the semie conservative model. I think I wrote this fairly late last night, which might be why. If not, well, I guess I fail the test. oops.
as to falsifying the semi conservative model--I'm on a roll of screw ups, huh? I was meaning sexual recombination (?) where one half comes from each parent. If you can disprove this fact--that we inherit our DNA from both mom and dad, well, that knocks out a huge chunk of ToE. Not only does it begin to question the common ancestor concept, but also a major source of variation for us.
that's what I should have said. And I know better than to write what I did, but we all have thos days.
thanks for calling me out on that.

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kuresu
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Message 125 of 169 (344273)
08-28-2006 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Percy
08-28-2006 12:01 PM


especially since the prototypes often aren't saved and are trashed, leaving no trace.
mayhaps the fossils are trash?
oh, but then, the designer couldn't possibly be intelligent, huh?

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kuresu
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Message 162 of 169 (344708)
08-29-2006 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Faith
08-29-2006 7:59 AM


Re: Evidence
you are aware how mountains are formed, right?
later I'll dig up a couple of graphics. I've got to go to class soon, so . . .

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