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Jaderis
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Message 62 of 128 (353555)
10-02-2006 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
09-28-2006 7:47 PM


Re: The Trinity is based on scripture
Only because you want it to. In fact it describes a person as a person and the church has known that from the beginning.
From the beginning, really? Which church are you referring to? What beginning are you referring to? I would love to read a history of a unified church "from the beginning," because I just can't seem to find one.

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Jaderis
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Message 63 of 128 (353558)
10-02-2006 2:40 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Archer Opteryx
09-29-2006 12:48 PM


Re: What Did Jesus Think?
I'd be interested in knowing how many people believe Yeshua, Galilean carpenter's son and longtime synagogue participant, walked around thinking of himself as the Second Person of the Trinity.
Me too. Especialy since there seems to be no talk from Jesus's own mouth about how He is, unambiguously, God, The Father, walking on Earth as Man.
So, assuming the Trinity doctrine is correct, in Matthew 27:46 When Christ exclaims "My God, Why hast thou forssken me?" or "My God, was this why I was kept/spared" (depending on translation) He knew, either way, the answer and was probably (unless He is not God at all)being melodramatic or purposefully confusing His disciples. I'm not quite sure how God could save Jesus if Jesus was, indeed God. Or how people could not be saved by believing in God, but not Jesus, since they are one and the same.

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Jaderis
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Message 65 of 128 (353563)
10-02-2006 3:46 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Faith
09-28-2006 8:17 PM


Re: The Trinity is based on scripture
Scripture says he laid down his life -- that means died -- of his own free will.
I thought suicide was a sin.
I'm 100% sure that I would give my life so that all of humankind would live in peace. Does that make make me God?
God forsook him and he died. He actually died.
Yes, God forsook Him. But, He was God? I guess if you forsake yourself then you might kill yourself, but, again, isn't suicide a sin?
He came back because all it took for him to pay for our sins was dying itself in our place.
So, good on Jesus. He already paid for my sins. Or, wait, do I have to recognize the blood sacrifice just like I would have had to witness and/or instigate an animal/human sacrifice in order to repent or please the god(s)? I'm not really sure here. I figure the blood of God is enough seeing as how He so loves me and all.
Because he himself was personally sinless he couldn't die for himself but only for us.
Why would He die for Himself?
He died bearing OUR sins. He paid for them by dying in our place. He paid for our sins and then God returned him to life, which he could do because he was sinless.
But He didn't die in our place. If Jesus is eternal and He preached to the dead (even those who sinned magnificently -including all the wickedest of the wicked before Noah - before Jesus walked the Earth), why didn't/doesn't Jesus (as God) preach to all departed souls until the end of time? Why the need to walk the Earth as Man?
Actually there are three separate statements about Who brought Him back to life, one says He Himself did, one says God the Father did, one says the HOly Spirit did -- all of them being God.
I don't necessarily doubt you and I'm sure I do not know scripture as well as you do, but I would like to know the passages that support this statement and/or why they are interpreted as such.
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