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DorfMan
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Message 14 of 64 (355188)
10-08-2006 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by RAZD
10-07-2006 10:40 PM


a bit o' this a bit 'o that
quote:
Either that or it is evidence that someone was talking through his ...
The Bible is NOT a science book, NOT EVER. Yet it often refers to the great number of stars in the heavens and other things one might use as stepping stones to 'real' science:
Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars”which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)
Jeremiah 33:22
“As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
Each star differs from others:
1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
Description of the precision of universe movement:
Jeremiah 31:35,36
Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
Suspension of earth in space:
Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.
Atmospheric circulation:
Ecclesiastes 1:6
The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.
Fluid dynamics:
Job 28:25
To establish a weight for the wind,
And apportion the waters by measure
A bit o' biology:
Leviticus 17:11
”For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
A bit o' biogenesis:
Genesis 1:11,12
Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:25
And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Flesh nature:
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.
Mental and spiritual health:
Proverbs 12:4
An excellent wife is the crown of her husband,
But she who causes shame is like rottenness in his bones.
Proverbs 14:30
A sound heart is life to the body,
But envy is rottenness to the bones.
Proverbs 15:30
The light of the eyes rejoices the heart,
And a good report makes the bones healthy.
Proverbs 16:24
Pleasant words are like a honeycomb,
Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.
Proverbs 17:22
A merry heart does good, like medicine,
But a broken spirit dries the bones.
A bit o' anthropology:
Job 30:5,6
They were driven out from among men,
They shouted at them as at a thief.
They had to live in the clefts of the valleys,
In caves of the earth and the rocks.
A bit o' hydrology:
Psalm 135:7
He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
He makes lightning for the rain;
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.
Jeremiah 10:13
When He utters His voice,
There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
“And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
He makes lightning for the rain,
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”
Job 36:27-29
For He draws up drops of water,
Which distill as rain from the mist,
Which the clouds drop down
And pour abundantly on man.
Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
The thunder from His canopy?
Water recirceling:
Ecclesiastes 1:7
All the rivers run into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full;
To the place from which the rivers come,
There they return again.
Isaiah 55:10
For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
Conservation: Take a shower with your wife?
How much water in clouds?
Job 26:8
He binds up the water in His thick clouds,
Yet the clouds are not broken under it.
Job 37:11
Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds;
He scatters His bright clouds.
Hydrothermal vents?
Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Job 38:16
Have you entered the springs of the sea?
Or have you walked in search of the depths?
A bit o' geology:
Jeremiah 31:37
Thus says the LORD:
“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD.”
Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
A bit o' physics?
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
That was loads of fun!
"But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds of the air, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish of the sea inform you. Job 12:7-8
I know loads of people who talk through their ass. So what?
Edited by DorfMan, : No reason given.

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DorfMan
Member (Idle past 6111 days)
Posts: 282
From: New York
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Message 18 of 64 (355301)
10-08-2006 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by anglagard
10-08-2006 2:20 PM


Re: a bit o' this a bit 'o that
quote:
Think these two need to talk.
Make an appointment.
With any scientist who has a differing opinion from another.

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DorfMan
Member (Idle past 6111 days)
Posts: 282
From: New York
Joined: 09-08-2005


Message 19 of 64 (355303)
10-08-2006 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Archer Opteryx
10-08-2006 1:52 PM


Re: Ancient View of the Cosmos
We are given dominion over our home. We are given a curiosity to explore this home. We are given results of our exploration, filled with satisfaction and passion and eagerness for more and more of the secrets we walk upon.
It's all my post was meant to say. God forbid I should trespass on the sanctity of holy science.
"But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds of the air, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish of the sea inform you. Job 12:7-8
We have done it, do it, and will continue to do it. We have only scratched the surface.
Thank you for your reply.

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DorfMan
Member (Idle past 6111 days)
Posts: 282
From: New York
Joined: 09-08-2005


Message 24 of 64 (355346)
10-09-2006 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by iceage
10-08-2006 11:17 PM


Re: a bit o' this a bit 'o that
I see you are familiar with the Teutul-Tawnics studies. Then you should be able to tell me which part of the Bible is fallible.

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DorfMan
Member (Idle past 6111 days)
Posts: 282
From: New York
Joined: 09-08-2005


Message 28 of 64 (355399)
10-09-2006 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by iceage
10-09-2006 11:20 AM


Re: No science in bible
Well, the Teutul-Tawnics gives a much broader perspective of why the Bible should not be used as a science book, for those who do not immediately recognize this on their own. But, the obsevations of those living during that time, should not be discredited as observations, after all, observation is a good beginning. Newton observed the apple falling, bingo. I'm surprised you did not find the Teutul-Tawnics.
Well, should you or another poster come across it, I am certain you will gain a vista not had as yet. Good luck!
Hey, you might even ask around!
Even a cursory study will get you ready for a discussion on the subject. But, that should be completed first.

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