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Author Topic:   Do you really understand the ToE?
pesto
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Message 1 of 19 (356147)
10-12-2006 2:26 PM


I would like to devote this thread to developing a simple test to determine whether a person actually understands the Theory of Evolution.
The test should be composed of Yes/No questions. If a person finishes the test answering all questions "Yes", that should be confirmation that the test taker understands the Theory of Evolution. The questions should be posed in lay terminology so almost anyone with a basic understanding of biology should be able to take it. The questions should also avoid certain words that may send up red flags, like "selection". Some sample questions might look like this.
* Are traits passed from one generation to the next via DNA?
* Do mutations occur?
* Can mutations result in new traits?
* If a trait benefits the survival of an individual, will that trait become more prevalent in subsequent generations?
* If a trait disfavors the survival of an individual, will that trait become less prevalent in subsequent generations?
* etc.
The questions would need to be ordered in such a fasion that they would progress from the most basic questions (Do mutations occur?) to more sophisticated questions. These example questions could be used as a jumping off point
I do not want this to be a debate thread. This should be a thread about what the Theory of Evolution states. The test can be used to take someone unfamiliar with the ToE, or only familiar with a strawman version through what the ToE actually says step by step and show exactly which parts of the theory are misunderstood.
This is an idea I pulled off another message board, but thought that this board would be able to do a better job with it.
Proposed forum: Is it Science?
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pesto
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Message 7 of 19 (356171)
10-12-2006 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Modulous
10-12-2006 3:36 PM


That is kind of what I'm going for. The reason for the question format is twofold. First, it can be used as a pencil and paper "test". Second, it can be used as an outline for a discussion of the ToE. Start at question one until you answer no. Discuss the question until both parties are satisfied, and continue on in this fasion.

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pesto
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Message 9 of 19 (356174)
10-12-2006 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Parasomnium
10-12-2006 4:53 PM


Re: Two comment
1. Correction made
2. This isn't meant as a test you would take in school. It is meant as a tool to show which parts of the ToE are or aren't understood by an individual. The test taker would have to be honest.
AbE: A "bible thumping hack" being Christian, would have to be honest. No?
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pesto
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Message 11 of 19 (356176)
10-12-2006 5:09 PM
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10-12-2006 4:11 PM


Re: Truth mapping
I like that, but I think each logical step is too large. I want to boil it down to very simple yes/no questions to really pinpoint where the misunderstanding is.

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pesto
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Message 14 of 19 (356295)
10-13-2006 12:03 PM


Let's get to the questions
Lets start suggesting questions for the test. Here's my start.
  • Are an individual's physical traits determined by their DNA?
  • Are physical traits passed from one generation to the next via DNA?
  • Do mutations occur?
  • Can a mutation result in a new physical trait?
  • Do physical traits help determine whether an individual will survive and reproduce?
  • If a physical trait is beneficial to survival and reproduction, will that trait become more common in successive generations?
  • If a physical trait is detrimental to survival and reproduction, will that trait become less common in successive generations?
  • Will different traits be beneficial in different environments?

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pesto
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Message 16 of 19 (356325)
10-13-2006 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by nwr
10-13-2006 12:59 PM


Re: Let's get to the questions
For the questions that you don't like, please supply alternate questions. That is the point of this thread.
Also, with only the questions that I gave, it is far from complete. The reason I've posted this thread here is because most people here have a much better understanding of biology than I do, and I would like to draw from that knowledge.

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