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We Give The Universe Meaning, Like Nothing Else

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DominionSeraph
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Message 12 of 36 (358052)
10-21-2006 11:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
10-19-2006 5:33 PM

mike the wiz writes:
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There is no difference between the universe existing and not existing,
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Meaningless sentence, as you are comparing two things -- the sum total of all things (which would therefore contain both of the above things) and the absence of all things (in which case you'd have neither of the above things.)
So, you need a universe to exist to have, "the universe doesn't exist;" and if the universe exists, it doesn't not exist.
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mike the wiz writes:
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But it isn't because in times past, atheists have tried to show that there is no credence in Theists saying that humans are special. Or they have tried to show that we are not special. Yet this proves that logically, we are special.
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You're using 'special' equivocally.
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mike the wiz writes:
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This isn't an argument for Theism as such, but I disagree with the notion that we are not special. This argument hints at, and favours Theism,
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No it doesn't.
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"My laptop is the only one sitting on my desk; thus it's special."
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Does that favor theism? Nope. It's an entirely irrelevant usage of 'special'.
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10-25-2006 4:11 AM 		Reply to: Message 14 by mike the wiz
10-24-2006 12:21 PM

mike the wiz writes:
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My argument isn't the argument you made an analogy for.
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It uses the same definition of 'special'.
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Humans are special because they're of the set of, "Things that give the universe meaning."
My laptop is special because it's of the set of, "Laptops sitting on my desk."
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Special because of belonging to a set is special because of belonging to a set.
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mike the wiz writes:
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My argument says that without a consciousness, there is no difference to record or observe between either instance.
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It helps if your words actually express a thought.
Here's a hint: Find the objects. Verbs, adverbs, and adjectives fall into place from there.
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11-04-2006 7:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 24 by mike the wiz
11-02-2006 9:22 AM

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mike the wiz writes:
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And if there are other conscious beings, then I talk of them also.
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You're talking of them -- assigning them the same meaning as us; and talking for them.
How does that not place you at the center of the universe?
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And remember -- you assigning a universe value doesn't mean it has an objective one.
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11-05-2006 2:53 AM 		Reply to: Message 26 by mike the wiz
11-04-2006 7:57 PM

mike the wiz writes:
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A man decorates a room for a child. The child arrives. And you ask why the room doesn't care?
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What I can ask is irrelevant.
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How does you assigning all meaning in the equation not place you at the center of the universe?
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