Snakes with legs? E or C?

One of the most fascinating discoveries is the ancient fossils of snakes with legs. The question lingers: Is it evidence for evolution or is it hard evidence for the Genesis record?The same Indian friend who I spoke to about the population problem of the evolutionary claim, is also an true bona fide American expert on all snakes. He confirms that even today you can see the evidence in Boas and Pythons that they used to have legs in the ancient past. However, what is observed is a loss of information and not a gain of new information!Even better. Genesis 3:14 mentions the curse that God gave to the serpent that the Devil used to deceive Adam and Eve. God literally cursed the genes of the serpent and its younglings would have been born without legs.Here is where history is consistent with science, and such consistant history is not to be logically overlooked for the sake of politics! For God had foreseen Satan's deception of evolution and spiked the punch with the curse He put on the serpent so that all will know that God is the "Creator" and He alone stretched out the heaven by His own understanding.I plead with you forum members to consider this defense of the Bible. None of you have to die forever! Evolution oppresses the truth of eternal life and cheats every person out of their free gift og salvation who believes it and deceives others who are now soul searching. God made it clearly known that He is the Creator and humanity is without excuse (Rom.1:18-32).Edited by Adminnemooseus, : "Sankes" to "Snakes" in topic title.

Please, give me a moment to reply. I've come down with the flu and I have not been able to check many messages. Its not like I'm online every hour of the day. I will answer the questions that I see are honest, non-Marxists, and academically real.

According to snake experts, nothing has really changed in the biological make-up of snakes for the exception of the missing legs.Now the Marxist/punk-rocker/liberal slur that the Bible isn't history is not an academically supported one and this is the reason why I've replied to you and ignored the others who enjoy spinning the topic with meaningless comments that have little to do with professional investigatve science, journalism, or history.What we have is what we know. We cannot assume anything. There are fossilized snakes that have legs. What does this say? What information do we have to go on to determine whether ot not it's evolution or Creation evidence? Occam's Razor forbids assumption and demands we shave it away. So maybe we should look into history, anywhere, and see if we can find anything mentioned that will help us explain these ancient fossilized snakes.The Holy Bible is the only document I've found that makes mention of this in Gen.3:14, when God cursed the serpent and it lost the DNA code that produces legs. Before this, we also find the first surgery performed in Gen.2:21. Genesis contains many scientific implication that any true scientist today should not ignore. There was science in the past like gravity and everything we know today and have not yet discovered. So ancient text can shed light on modern scientific mysteries conciderings we drop the Marxist bias and research this without the priori commitment that all evolutionists have to sign before they can work for an Institution. (That why I enoy my indepentent research. I can search and search and am allowed to find the correct answer without some Institution censoring me).The Bible mentioned this fossil mystery. Evolutionists assume it evolution. The Bible is a Book of Creation (Gen.1:1). God CREATED CREATED CREATED! There is no evolution in the Bible and there is nobody here that can provide a single text proving otherwise. (*Note: All faulty interpretations made in the Bible by evolutionists are refuted and then used against evolution as a science because of the lack of discipline that went into the analysis. If evos cannot understand that the Bible teaches creation then that error of analysis will be urged against the theory of evolution scientists. Proper methodology is all that I personally accept).The Scoreboard. We have the snake fossils. We have the story written in our Holy Book. The Law of Identity favors the Biblical account! Evolutionists rely on ad hoc assumptions to explain away the evidence and continue hiding the truth of our real origin.

When I was a young boy I spent alot of time studying whales. There is not a single species of whale that has legs or ever did. The presumptions of evolutionists are ad hoc ones, and not acceptable to Occam's Razor.Evolution is filled with fallacious illusions that man was once an ape and whale once crawled on land. This, however, is philosophy...not science.

Jon,First of all we have to go on knowable facts. This is hard for evolutionists because they are so used to accepting the assumptions from their evolutionary Professors, who trusted the assumtpions of their evolutionary Professors and so on.The Bible contains the Divine history of the world. It was preserved through the Jewish people because God made a covenant with Abraham that he would be the father of the nation that would eventually bear the Messiah. Abraham was chosen because he listened to God and obeyed without being argumentive.Now, Genesis records the fact that there is mentioned of the snakes with legs, and tells us how they lost them. Evolutionists have no historical document to say otherwise apart from their modern ad hoc assumptions which are shaved away by Occam's Razor.Now your reasons for denial are force fed ones that you only accept out of rebellion. But if you use the reasoning of analysis provided by the laws simple logic: Law if non-contradiction, Law of Identity, Law of Excluded Middle, you see that the Genesis narrative cannot be ignored just because of some modern political agenda that stems from Marxist ideolgy.Understand that it is not science vs.religion--nay; in reality, it's politics vs. science and religion!!Do you think we can deny historical information for the sake of politics? The great founders and contributers always accepted history and science because they have to harmonize together in order for a correct understanding of the events that provide the information necessary to understand science and origins.You and say and believe what you like, but keep in mind that the denial of the Genesis narrative in the subject of the snakes with legs is not a logical order of analysis.

Infixion,I can find a website that argues that the earth is flat! The Flat Earth Society denied that the earth is round. But does that make the website a source of truth?The website you plugged in provided one Big GUESS! Do you have any ancient source-documents to support this modern guesswork? Just because its proven that snakes once had legs doesn't mean that evolution happened. The Bible supports the evidence but denies the evolution myth that became popularized in America through Marxist/KGB spies who infiltrated our government, media, and every arena of life to Americans. In fact, the Communists used to even build American cities so that their spies could adapt to living like an American. The communists knew that they could never take America through military combat, so they sought out to break the spirit of the country folk by propagating evolution through hijacking science. The American liberals helped them. Heavy metal music, free-sex, drugs, rap-musics and the like, were used to break down the soul of the American people and all of the was justified by the theory of evolution and the great many $tereotypes $old for political power. Richard Dawkins was a hit the Marxism with his slander on all Christians being $tupid in his book The Blind Watchmaker. Carl Sagan with his famous $tatement on his series the Cosmos, "Evolution is not a theory...it's a fact" $old out the media without scienctifc proof. Planned Parenthood calliing all poor people and non-believers in evolution "weeds" was one of the lowest peroids of mankind since Nazi Germany. The list in endless and this history of evolutionary politics is true. Study it for yourself and see.The method of scientific analysis has been oppressed by those who hate God and gained power over the world through deception and infiltration. I've seen this for myself first hand and this is a great evil. And this great evil is traced to the original sin that Satan spoke from the serpent.

Jon,This topic is not about all the scientific evidence there is for the Bible. I do not have time to get involved with the circular arguments that evolutionists want to engage with in in, so I write everything in a book and then offer it to those who care. I have just provided solid evidence in this topic with the serpent's curse and the legs that scientist have proven they have lost through this curse first written in the Bible. There you go. Only a Marxist will deny it.

This website also would agree with the already refuted evolution of the human embryo drawing! Thats all I see here--drawings. The photographs say nothing more than the fact that evolution can interpretate whale fins has hands if they want to, but the analysis is pure assumption--which is not uphelp by the Occam's Razor view of analysis.

This is where you need to break through the evolution mold of thought and have an IQ higher than a monkey. The vast majority of all living people on earth know what this means. You need to think and release your mind from the chains of humanistic reasoning. In other words, just read the passage and place it together with the common sense God gave you.

You need to take 10-years of philosophy and learn how to compute data and then we can talk. Its 2007 right now, I'll hopefully see you in 2017 when you learned who to calculate the baby steps of pratical analysis. I'm not good with young people who don't know who to analysis data and find it hard to also help somebody under the influence of the priori-commitment to evolution. I guess our conversation has ended because there is a major problem in analytical methodology. I assumed this website was all masters and scholars already trained in analysis. Sorry I can't help you understand. My mind has problems thinking in terms of confusion that comes from manipulative methodolgy of the humanist manifesto.To break free from the humanistic way of thought you need to pray to Jesus for forgiveness and He will run after you and save you from the depression that humanistic thought has done to you all. Receiving Christ will regenerate your mind and free your soul from the chains of sin that has degenerated all of us.Edited by Origen, : No reason given.

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Everything was nothing before there was something.
Everything is something even if its nothing at all.
For nothingness came from Something, and that
Something has always been there.
Without an Infinite Designer, nothing,
could not have ever been.
For even Nothing is Something;
And from Something...came everything.
~ Jason Fessenden

There are three stubling blocks for evolutionists and the way they think. For starts, they see no difference between the methodolgy of history, science, and philosophy. However, even though they all need to flow in harmony together, there is the Historical method, Scientific method, and the Philosopher's method that molds alot of modern scientific approach. The problem is, evos misuse all these methods and assume they history is subject to philosophy or scientific slander. Scientific method can seldom be used to analyze history because a single error in an historical event will be ruled out through scientific method. Thats why there are historians! These people have thousands of years in the method of historical analysis. So to be very honest, the greatest people in the academic world today are historians and librarians. Even journalism is useful to find that evolution is all a political lie. So understand that evolution is a view on natural history that isn't historical!