Black Rednecks and White Liberals (by Thomas Sowell)

Yep... Which is why I highly recommended Sowell, a black man, to read. Which is why is also why Lith and I are sharing the Hip Hop bands we like. Which is why I speak so highly of Dr. King and his message of true equality. You've got me pegged Crash. Then you must live under a rock because slavery is long since dead and black people are afforded the exact same rights as every one else. In fact, it was a white man, a Republican white man, no less, that freed the slaves to begin with. So, where is this white privilege? But they have the same rights. Saying they don't speaks disparagingly about the movement to emancipate the slaves. Since slavery was dead, equality was still but a dream for over a decade after the fact, where black men and women suffered many of the pitfalls you've been mentioning. But those days are all but gone so that we are on an equal playing field-- and as I've shared, the fear of being branded a racist is so ripe in the minds of progressive whites, such as yourself, that you inadvertently esteem them even higher simply because they are black instead of just treating every one the same. And its in that way you perpetuate racism and undermine true equality. There are pockets of backwood America that such things still exist, where whites are privy but blacks aren't. Those backwoods communities are now so antiquated, however, that they will surely disappear altogether in the near future. This is why crazy White Identity groups live deep in Montana or Idaho where they can live out their separatist fantasies. Fine by me. Stay out of mainstream America where the poison of their message of sending America back into the social dark ages is mitigated.Having said that, the majority of America, by far, has never been further away from those backward ideals than it is right now. Instead of celebrating the advances we've made, you want invent more strife and reignite the flames that have died down. The more that you focus on the differences, instead of the similarities we all share, the more you actually exacerbate the enmity that is dying at a rapid pace. My friend's name is Chris Woody, not exactly a name that invokes his blackness. Nonetheless, he's a black man. So, naturally, even though he may or may not get more call backs because of his name, they are obviously going to know he's a black man when he shows up for the interview. He's a damn good carpenter. And because of his QUALIFICATIONS, he has more job offers than he knows what to do with. In fact, he's now the superintendent of the largest architectural firm in the NorthWest, making well over 30 dollars an hour directing every one under him-- white, black, hispanic, or otherwise, in his subdivision.And to add, Portland has the lowest percentage of black residents than any other major US city, according to a recent census. And yet, every where I go, no matter the type of business, there are multiple black people working in various capacities. I mean, really Crash, if there was such an overt or even covert problem with wide scale racism, we should see this reflected in society with unparalleled numbers. I just don't see that, and I've lived in Portland, Chicago, Miami, San Diego, San Antonio, Virginia Beach, etc. I suspect that many liberal proponents imagine these scenarios because their activist brain lives for problems. Its as if they don't really want solutions, but rather, they unconsciously want more problems so it gives them a reason to complain and a justification to argue. Its almost as if they don't feel complete unless there is some abject misery in the world they can exploit to make themselves feel better. Its bizarre. Oh please... The person running the till, irrespective of their race, is the number one suspect. Then you go from there and either prove guilt or innocence. According to the Bureau of Justice:

Oh, wait, the Bureau of Justice is probably run by only white people who have skewed the statistics in order to appear as though they aren't really racist. Obviously they are racist if they're white. Oh, yes, obviously it couldn't possibly be that the person happened to be white. Here's a hint Crash. The media in this country is so predominantly far to the "progressive" side of the fence that I have to tie my television down so it won't fall to the left. In other words, these are more fantasies. There are more caucasians in this country than anyone else, though, hispanics will likely outnumber caucasians in about 100 years. If they use the term, "minority," its because that's what they are. Since when is minority an epithet? Minority is the opposite of majority and nothing more. What are you talking about? If you're going to be heralded for anything, it has to be something worth heralding in the first place. Seems to me that they herald things based on their merits, not because they are white. Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? Example? That's funny, because I read about people from all races. What?!?!? Excuse me, I've never read even ONE children's book that affirms the history of their "race." Consequently, I have seen numerous children's books on black anthology. Here's another one. And another. Oh, and here is my favorite, named, "Just Us books." Wow! Here's a great idea: How about we read children's books that don't discuss race. Call me crazy, but I think children's books should NOT focus on race because it just stigmatizes anyone not affiliated with that specific race and it teaches kids seperatist ideas that just exacerbate segregation. That's because your "race" doesn't determine this. Your society DOES. This guy is a genius. Yeah, because it isn't applicable to ANYTHING. LOL! If its any one who does that, its either blacks themselves or white liberals who do that! Oh, my gosh, this is hilarious. This guy is so full of it. I can locate any of those items with ease from any race. Hmmmm? I wonder how many books or magazines in the Sudan, Egypt, Laos, Thailand, Eritrea, Syria, or Iran I can find someone representing me. Oh, wow, imagine that.... ZERO! But then again, who cares!!! Neither do black people. Thugs have to worry-- of any race. Lets see, suppose we have a group of white kids acting the fool compared to a group of black men not causing any problems. Seems to me the police would deal with the behavior before they dealt with people on the basis of race. That's not my fault. Since he is a liberal, he should blame himself for supporting AA. Blacks are evaluated by members of their own race, and so are Asians, and so are Arabs, and so do Hispanics. If you live in a place where there are members of your race, its kind of hard not to. That all depends on the person and how they carry themselves, not the race itself. But then again, Steve Urkel strikes much more fear in me than Hulk Hogan, so what am I talking about? Just about everything you've said in this thread is nonsensical and unreasonable. That's funny, because it sounds like you have a serious case of it. I was born the way I was born. Nothing is going to change that fact. That goes for everyone. You have to be the quintessence of what Sowell is talking about in his book. You're practicly the poster boy.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

Done deal. I should probably just drop the thread anyway. Its been thoroughly hijacked and derailed enough any way. Thanks for your moderating.

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

I didn't say that or even make allusions to it. First, slavery fell, which was a major shift in the right direction but racism and segregation was still alive and well. Then segregation fell, another great stride in the right direction, but racism was still alive and well. And every year since then, this country grows less and less racist. Racism still exists, Crash, coming from all sides. That's unquestionable. But you seem to want to believe in a fantasy where whites can do no right, and blacks can do no wrong. This extreme view is completely racist, yet, you try to turn it around on me who has completely denounced racism entirely. The only thing you've proven is your unwillingness to leave your tower of moral superiority. You are not being reasonable, you are being extreme. Instead of budging on your extreme view, even a little, you'd rather hang on it instead of conceding the obvious. You make blanket statements about both whites and blacks, that in good conscience, you couldn't make unless you were truly extreme. I think the guilt is all on your side as you seem to want to purge your demons over being born white. I've never met anyone more miserable about the way they were born. Aside from which, I'm not making blanket statements about race, but consequently you are. I've said, NUMEROUS times, that we are dealing with culture, not race. But you refuse to recognize that. You'd rather just despise me than honestly listen to what I've been consistently saying, from the beginning. Then what did I say that was racist following my introduction of Woody, if that's true? He's my friend, Crash. I'm just telling you about my friend and how he'd probably flame you if you insulted him by offering a hand out. That's the point. People of your ilk are more insulting with your extreme patronage, falling all over yourselves to accommodate someone who doesn't need accommodating. He just needs you to get off your knees, stop sniveling all over him and just treat him the same as everyone else. You are trying to offer a special status, whereas I am offering equality. Not you, Crash. They are actually the best. Its those white devils that can't seem to swing the iron. So, because I said affirmative action is wrong you're going to mischaracterize me saying that I think every time I'm passed up for a job, it must be due to AA? I actually have an interview in a few hours. I guess we'll see what we see. No, what are you talking about? The number of white Death Row inmates exceeded those of black inmates. The number of total white prisoners was 2,016 and where black inmates was 1,655, which is completely in proportion to the amount of those on death row. In other words, our justice system isn't going to pander to your specious cry of racism. The justice system take measures to ensure that jurors are impartial by creating a jury of mixed races. We are convicted by our peers, Crash.

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Oh, yes, obviously it couldn't possibly be that the person happened to be white.

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You said something about how the media picks white people to do their stories on, which is just so ridiculous, but anyway.... The point is, the media picks interesting and often sensational stories. If the focal point of the sensational story just so happens to be a white person, are you going to accept that? Or is this some diabolical plot to keep black people out of the camera? I mean, really, where do you come up with these fantastic stories? Oh wow, yes, yes, that proves racism, can't you see!!! Or it proves that black American culture is not predominantly interested in classical music. Nonetheless, here you are. Gosh, that's an awfully big list. But even no black composers existed, if you just wanted to talk about pianists, I can name about 10 without thinking very hard about it. Where do you think Jazz comes from? It first synthesized from elements of classical and Ragtime music. For the same reason people didn't call the sky peanut butter-- meaning, this is an asinine question, therefore, you get an asinine reply. Other people do, and yet you disparage the most accommodating nations on the planet. It was the United States and Great Britain that brought this to a halt, and both countries have continued in that vein ever since. But you don't speak about other countries who would lob off your head at the first squeak to made about injustice. But, no, its America that is perverse and unjust. You posted a Wikipedia article entitled, "White Privilege." The "he" I'm referring to is the man quoted in the article.I'm reading a new book now, and ironically enough, after browsing through the chapters I stumbled onto a page about racism in America and how the left deals with it.Embarrassed by the defeat of Soviet Communism, leftists changed their language and tactics, putting class hatred on the back burner and turning to racial combat instead... a loudly professed prejudice against white people as the new "Class enemy." The new radical mindset demonized white males specifically and saw them as an ersatz ruling class-- or more accurately-- caste, responsible for every social disparity...

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leftists propose themselves as opponents of racism, when in fact their agenda is not about racism at all, but about subverting the status quo. In the absence of real racists in university admissions offices, the left created a myth-- "institutionalized racism"-- that is alleged to explain all disparities in university admissions. The creation of this myth is essential to keep alive the discredited marxist ideal that an alien power separates the citizens of democratic societies into rulers and ruled, the dominant race and the races of the oppressed. Behind the doctrine that all blacks are victims speaks the agenda of sustaining the marxist paradigm and its social war. - Jaime Glasov"At the time of those struggles, Malcolm X was King's great antagonist in the black community, leading its resistance to the civil rights hope. The black Muslim publicly scorned King's March on Washington as "ridiculous" and predicted its failure... He rejected King's call to non-violence and his goal of an integrated society... Malcolm even denied King's racial authenticity, redefining the term "negro," which was to now mean, "Uncle Tom."...

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But what of Elijah Muhammed? What is a racist and religious cultist doing in a monument to Martin Luther King, Jr? It is truly a perverse intrusion. The teaching of Elijah Muhammed mirror the white supremacist doctrines of the southern racists whose rule King fought. According to his teachings, white people were invented six thousand years ago by a mad scientist named Yacub in a failed experiment to dilute the blood of the original human beings, who were black. The result was a morally tainted strain of humanity-- "white devil's"-- who want to devastate the whole world and oppress all other human beings...

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King's moral legacy was in large part squandered by those who inherited it after his death. The moral decline of the civil rights leadership is reflected in many episodes of the last quarter century: the embrace of racist demagogues like Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton, and indefensible causes like Tawana bradley, O.J. Simpson, the Los Angeles race riots, etc...

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The moral abdication of black civil rights leaders is integrally, (if not fully explained by) their close association with a radical left, whose anti-white hatred are by-product of its anti-Americanism. The left's own attitudes towards blacks are so patronizing that one disillusioned activist was inspired to write a book about them, entitled, "Liberal Racism."

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Harvard's prestigious W.E.B. DuBois African American Studies Institute, for example, provided an academic platform for lecturer Noel Ignatiev to launch "Whiteness studies," an academic field promoting the idea that "whiteness" is a "social construct" that is oppressive and must be "abolished."

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The magazine "Race Traitor" is the theoretical organ of this academic cult, emblazoned with the motto: "Treason to Whiteness is Loyalty to Humanity." This is hardly a new theme on the left, echoing as it does Susan Sontag's perverse claim that "the white race is the cancer of history." (Sontag eventually expressed regrets about her remark, not because of the racial smear, but out of deference to cancer patients who might feel unjustly slurred.) -David Horowitz

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"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis