General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 9.0

I think Dr A's suspension has more to do with the fact that he completely and blatantly ignored Admin's request.There are ways to expose people for dishonesty without shouting, "liar liar pants on fire!" Randman is a difficult poster to debate with and it is obvious that he got quite high on Dr A's shit list. Dr A kept saying the he wanted to debate rand but in practice he had no more debate than randman has ability to refrain from mentioning Haeckel.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Like Percy said, the only reason showcase exists is because regular board members still wanted to debate the crazies like JAD, etc. There was no way they were going to be let back into the general forums because all they do there is cause disruption to the complete avail of moderation.So there is full access on one end or banishment on the other. Both are undesireable by both admins and the EVC population. What solution do you propose to the problem?

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Dr A wasn't suspended for simply saying, "you're being dishonest". I have read a number of threads where members have questioned eachothers honesty and nobody was suspended.I cannot tell for sure because I haven't gotten a lot of feedback about it but I feel pretty good about the way I handled NJ in the couple of instances where it arose in the GD thread.I don't find it is very useful to try to convince the person telling the lies that they are liars. I feel it is more important to expose that fact to the rest of the readers. Simply shouting, "your a liar" doesn't really add anything to the conversation other than vitrol.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

I happen to agree with you about randman. I believe the contents of his posts are a complete waste of bits. The problem I think though is not that the admins need to get over their squeamishness but that the EvC population needs to stop wanting to pander to crazies. Admins have already shown that they will actually ban people. Faith is gone for example. The issue is that maschocistic people here at EvC keeping demanding them back. I personally think that the board has been better without Faith. I also think it is better without randman, JAD, and Ray in the general forums. The creationists who remain are much better at constructing an argument rather than simply repeating the same thing over and over again.Every who is banned or restricted has a mantra that they could never look past to actually engage their opponent.Faith : Your argument is invalid because you are operating with evo assumptions. The rules declare my position to be invalid but my position IS valid because I am not claiming scientific accuracy. (round and round)randman: Haeckel! Haeckel! Packitus! Haeckel! Fraud! QM! (repeat)Ray: Your lack of godsense = inability to refute.JAD: *begin post* (insert rabid insults) *end post*I am of the opinion that they just need to be banned. NJ I think is an example of a "good" creationists, someone who will actually somewhat respond to what is being talked about rather than some meta-martyr or broken record type discourse that the above mentioned are famous for.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)