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Message 102 of 140 (380525)
01-27-2007 5:28 PM
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01-27-2007 1:35 PM


Re: Gods fault lines
Nobody is more susceptible to burning than gays, according to you.
Christians are warned that God gave them up to uncleaness and a reprobate mind in respect to the judgement of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
kjv Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleaness through the lusts of their heart, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
kjv Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.
kjv Romans 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
kjv Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
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Message 104 of 140 (380547)
01-27-2007 7:52 PM
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Re: Gods fault lines
God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.
That's my new favorite Bible verse! "Things" like driving to Dallas at 2:00 AM to buy a six-pack of Abita Amber, d'ya think? Or really not convenient like taking a plane from Seattle to New Orleans for it?
No, I might decide to golf a course 100 miles away. I might want to go boating and drive 130 miles. I might decide to take a vacation but too me non of these are examples of the reprobate mind.
kjv Matthew 7:14 Because "strait is the gate, and narrow is the way", which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Examples of reprobate thinking too me would be more like this great sermon written by Rev. Don C. Modarelli.
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The Anatomy of a Reprobate Mind
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Pastor: Rev. Don C. Modarelli
Topic: General
The Anatomy of a Reprobate Mind Don C Modarelli Begin with story: Samson & Delilah (Judges 16:1-21)Samson was a man secure in his role with God.While his muscles pleased God, his mind catered to sin.When he came across the dream woman, he started to dream.The key to his fantasy, "Lie to me, Delilah."Tell me you love me.Tell me you won't hurt me.Tell me we can live together and I can still serve God.Love made Samson blind.His false confidence in God made him careless and arrogant.
My Assistant-Pastor wanted to buy a motor from a shady person He feared that it would be a stolen engine.To appease his conscience legally, he asked, "Is it stolen?"Afterwards, he realised he didn't care if it was stolen. He wanted the man to tell him what he wanted to hear.The key to his fantasy was, "Lie to me, Thief."Tell me its not stolen.Tell me I won't break the law in buying this.Tell me I won't be sinning by buying this from you.His desire for the good engine at the unbelievable price made him blind.His relationship with God made him feel he could recover from this sin.
What do you want to do that is wrong, but want to do it with "sincerity"?First you begin to doubt the sinfulness of doing it.Then, to grant you amnesty you might ask someone, "Is it okay?"You don't care if it is sin or not, you want to be misinformed.You may have to ask several Christians to get the answer you want.The key to your fantasy ...
http://sermons.preachit.org/...tomy-of-a-Reprobate-Mind.html
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Message 106 of 140 (380612)
01-28-2007 3:01 AM
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01-28-2007 12:00 AM


Servants Heart
The bible says the Lord Jesus yoke is easy his burden light. To me its more about having a servants heart. I have a problem with the prosperity gospel where I give and you recieve.
If you want to be chief you become servant of all so when I vote I vote for empowerment to help the poor. I don't believe in the democrats that want to raise taxes to help the poor. I believe we should cut taxes not raise them. We have plenty of food pantries, George W. Bush is making a difference.
http://www.abpnews.com/880.article
Your not supposed to allow yourself to be trapped like a roe to the hunter or the bird to the fowler by those that say there your friend but to make sure of your brother. kjv pro 6:5. Which is the whole reason why Kent Hovind made a stand, the money given to the anti-christ bankers through the IRS should be used to feed the poor, fund health insurance not siphoned out of our country. But interestingly everyones ears are deaf mocking Kent and not understanding the bigger issue.
The root problem with the poor in our country the interest on nothing (Fed Notes) and the local communities need to raise property taxes because most of the federal taxes are being siphoned out of our country.
Myself I'm quite poor at the moment can not afford health insurance but will try to do whatever I can to keep myself not a burden to others. Its probably the best because I can go to the free clinic if need be get free food at the food pantry.
About those that desire to be great to be the servant of all. Now when someone comes begging I tell people of the free food at the various food pantries. I'm believe more if your able to help others help themselves your having the servants heart. If your only their servant you cease to be a servant or their friend but become their slave and then the yoke can become grievous. Jesus said his yoke is easy his burden light.
Then your about what Christ is about and you will not be his servant but his friend. Its about being about what he is about but not about being entrapped as a roe to the hunter or a bird to the fowler.
People are quite manipulative perhaps why the LORD said to give anonomously because its not about you getting the glory but God.
P.S. I'm however like the Man Called Norman cause well I'm one of those unlovable ones that George MacDonald too mentioned in one of his books. Empathy can be a two edged sword like the good samaritan parable. Its like when someones down and out no one is their friend its hard its more than hard. So I understand that what your saying and can relate hopefully we all can make a difference in Christ.
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Message 108 of 140 (380617)
01-28-2007 3:44 AM
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01-28-2007 3:17 AM


Re: Servants Heart
These are red letter scriptures that commands you to give all you have to the poor. It is really quite literal and clear. You are rich compared to the poor of the world, regardless of how you think you are relatively.
Well go ahead and we can look at those verses that too me are not what you suppose them to mean. Some he said to give all and follow him, but he explained to the apostles in regard to the rich man putting his trust in riches its easier for a camel to go thru the eye of the needle but with God all things are possible.
Meaning that with God its possible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. It also talks in the bible to invest your money so too me its like merchants can be liken to kings and others liken to Priests. They go hand in hand as it says in revelations that the kings and priests. Is not that what it saying? Its not about money persay, but that some that are called to be kings because they trust in God, because what is impossible with man is possible with God. The rich man was being called to be a priest not a merchant because he was putting his trust in his riches. Many are called few are chosen. It was kind of like Elisha when he was called to be the prophet he answered the Calling, etc...
http://www.kings-priests.org/home.php
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Message 110 of 140 (380625)
01-28-2007 4:19 AM
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01-28-2007 3:48 AM


Re: Servants Heart
How much money is it going to cost the US to house Kent Hovind while he stamps licence plates for the next decade?
Its an outrage an attack on the churches, we should all be outraged with the federal judges biased decision. The IRS has such confusing interpretation that it should be made simple instead of complex in respect to the Christian Organizations in respect to taxation.
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Message 113 of 140 (380631)
01-28-2007 4:38 AM
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01-28-2007 4:21 AM


Re: Servants Heart
I am suspecting that Jesus's red lettered words carries significance - no? Especially since he repeatedly teached giving all to the poor and practiced austerity.
I'm suspecting not all are called to be priests some are actually called to be kings. I think your missing the significance since all things are possible with God. Faith in God in respect to those called to be kings.
http://www.kings-priests.org/home.php
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Message 115 of 140 (380633)
01-28-2007 4:53 AM
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(Lev. 25) an AMNESTY on debt
Perhaps we should just kick those foreign banker out like Christ kicked the money changers out of the temple. Is there really any reason we should pay interest on nothing, when our own country could be printing money based on nothing. This is our national debt that we should simply refuse to pay because its all based on nothing. If we printed our own money we could simply wash the debt without payment every 50 years as was the case in Jewish Law. The reason the bible condones amnesty of debt is because it brings justice to the equation.
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The Jubilee had an ecological ethic calling for the resting of the land every seven years (Lev. 25:1- 7); animals were to be given regular Sabbath rests (Ex. 31:12-17 Deut. 15); and every 50th year (Lev. 25) an AMNESTY on debt was declared. In agrarian societies the cycle of poverty begins when a family had to sell off its land in order to pay off debt (for example after a year or years of poor harvests). Poverty reached its conclusion when landless peasants can only sell their labor becoming bond-slaves. The great 50 year AMNESTY allowed the land that was sold to be returned to its original owners therefore ending generational poverty(Lev. 25:13, 25-28). All debt was written off (Lev. 25:35-42 Deut. 15:1-11) and all slaves were freed and given the means to be economically self sufficient (Deut. 15:12- 17). The rational for this unilateral restructuring of the economy was to remind Israel that the land belongs to God (Lev.25:23) and Israel was chosen to be a counter-cultural people who must never return to an imperial system like Pharaoh’s that produces slavery for some while enriching an elite. Lev.25:42).
http://www.scn.org/wwfor/richlang070205.htm
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Message 120 of 140 (380639)
01-28-2007 5:36 AM
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01-28-2007 5:08 AM


Re: Servants Heart
Wasn't Christ Kingly? and he had "No Place To Lay His Head".
Its about the son of mans accension into heaven, he "has" no place to lay his head.
I think you are minimizing the significance of your own quoted scripture
Its a good scripture glad to see someone other than myself appreciates it.

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Message 121 of 140 (380640)
01-28-2007 5:57 AM
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01-28-2007 5:26 AM


Re: (Lev. 25) an AMNESTY on debt
It does not qualify that with "unless you can concoct a really good conspiracy theory".
I thought I did Lincoln, Jackson, Kennedy, and Johnson. The 501c3 silencing the churches, Johnson immediately doing the opposite that Kennedy proposed in respect to the Federal Notes.
You are worried about some corruption and foreign influences? just what the hell do think Caesar represented in Jesus's day?
Were a soveriegn nation its believed that it would only cost 540 million dollars to get out of the contract. The problem is this imaginary debt of near 8 trillion dollars based on nothing. Who are these foreign bankers, does anyone know.
I suppose when the anti-christ forces the mark can only happen until after he has the whore burned. The anti-christ in the flesh to the conspiracy it will cease to be a shadow but a person (666). Then all not raptured will have to chose between the devil and God. Life for death or Death for life in Christ. This will be an opporturnity (right?)to be martyred as a witness in respect to the faith.
We know the victory is Christs, cause he is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end. For the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy , etc... kjv 19:10

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Message 125 of 140 (380681)
01-28-2007 12:01 PM
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01-28-2007 6:23 AM


Re: No Place to Lay His Head
"Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to rest his head."
Christ is highlighting his homelessness status. He was not talking about ascension.
I take it more from prophecy that though the scribe meant well that I will follow thee "whithersoever" thou goest. Jesus was not saying to the scribe not to follow him in the now but that "whithersoever" was not possible in the land of the living in respect to his ascension.
Which is why the apostle Paul said absent from the body present with the Lord. kjv john 17:24 & 2 Co 5:8
kjv Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven.
kjv Luke 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
kjv 3 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-christ.
kjv revelation 1:18 I'm he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore. Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Christ plainly preached selling all and emphasized it repeatedly as if to stress it and some work overtime to avoid that.
No, its not the money persay but the love of money that is the root of all evil.
Why does being martyred for Christ give you the shivers surely you understand absent from the body present with the Lord. Its not like the Muslim counterfeits that kill others and themselves.
Being martyred is about keeping the faith when someone ask you are you a Christian. Is this not a bit similar to the richman sererio, would you be willing to die for your faith? If someone says were going to lop off your head if you don't renounce your faith. This is what its all about faith in Christ is it not? and what will you say, etc...Martydom is it not the bottom line kjv rev 20:4 in respect to witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, etc...
kjv Timothy 6:10 For the love of money "is the root" of all evil; which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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Message 126 of 140 (380686)
01-28-2007 12:24 PM
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01-28-2007 7:25 AM


Re: Servants Heart
That aside, who provides your free clinic access? Your food? Providing that both of these services are church based (which I highly doubt...the clinic at least), why are you less of a "burden" when church folk provide you with care instead of taxpayers?
I have not went to the free clinic too much into holistic medicine the free stuff as mentioned within the Word. Actually I'm not a burden to the churches. The free food is your tax dollars.
I willingly help people thru social services and out of own pocket without bitching about "burdens"...and I'm not even a Christian...
I'm not a fan of social services they too me are quite a burden. Don't spank a child or bring forth the wrath or the Social Service Gestapo's. If people would be allowed to spank their child you wouldn't need super nanny shows which too me is disrespectful to the parents authority.
Does not God says spare the rod spoil the child, that the man is the head of the house not the child, the wife is subject to the husband but that all are subject to Christ.
Is this not why a new bill is being proposed by the democrats to making spanking child abuse. Its contrary to the Word but thats nothing new coming from the liberal mindset. When Christ returns the millinium rule righteousness will once again reign from Jerusalem. He will not spare the rod, right? Thats prophecy etc...
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Message 128 of 140 (380758)
01-28-2007 6:27 PM
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01-28-2007 4:58 PM


Re: Servant's Heart, Infidel's Bankbook
Sure it is. As long as fundies have a 'servant's heart,' it's okay for them to pile up a king's ransom and hoard it all for themselves without even having to pay taxes on it.
Interesting how literally fundies takes the Old Testament passages about homosexuality but how creative they suddenly get when their Lord and Savior tells them to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to sell everything they have to help the poor.
Your taking the verses out of context, some are called to be kings.
kjv Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Sure it is. As long as fundies have a 'servant's heart,' it's okay for them to pile up a king's ransom and hoard it all for themselves without even having to pay taxes on it.
I don't agree with the hoarding part, never thought much of the prosperity gospel.
They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on the shoulders of others; but they themselves are unwilling to lift a finger to move them.
Matthew 23.2 NRSV
The IRS is not the state but foreign bankers (identity unknown ?) that are responsible for the violation of the churches constitutional rights. Its supposed to be separation of the church from the state.
Interesting how literally fundies takes the Old Testament passages about homosexuality but how creative they suddenly get when their Lord and Savior tells them to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to sell everything they have to help the poor.
Kent never signed the 501c3 perhaps those here hate Kent so because he did not sign the 501c3. Caesar was a man who is the man ahead of the Federal Reserve thats in control of Ben Bernanke. No man then no Caesar its not a government its simply foreign bankers that have forced America to fill the Infidels Bankbook.
Making a church a corporation violates the constitutional rights of the church its an end run around the separation of church and state in the constitution because its forcing the church to be bound by the heavy bondage of man's law.
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It is time for Christians to wake up and turn back to God. We need to turn to the Lord and repent of our sins that we have committed against Him. We need to ask for forgiveness of tolerating idolatry that removes His Sovereignty over His Church. To see that the Church is in grave danger we must have a clear understanding of what a corporation is. We also need to realize what the courts have ruled about corporations and that a corporation has no rights, only privileges, granted by the "estate." To become a corporation removes the authority of the Lord over a corporate church and puts it under the bondage of man's law.
http://www.guymalone.com/501c3church.htm
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Message 130 of 140 (380813)
01-28-2007 10:31 PM
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01-28-2007 7:52 PM


Re: Servant's Heart, Infidel's Bankbook
Charley you now being disingenuous. The use of Caesar was a representation of the Roman Gov't. Again Caesar represented a foreign oppresive and corrupt (by today's standards) goverment.
Your missing the whole point its not about Caesar for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. kjv ephesians 6:12

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Message 133 of 140 (380824)
01-28-2007 11:54 PM
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Re: No Place to Lay His Head
Christ says sell all and and follow me; not give up your love of money or hey some of you will be priests and some of you will be kings. Modern day interpretation.
If you want to be a catholic priest you probably would sell all to follow Christ. If your called to be a king and a priest you would have need to owe no man any thing which you can not do if you give all your money to the poor. Jesus said the poor you will alway have when Judas was going to give all the money to the poor. You have to read the scriptures in context, it seems to mean just the opposite of what your saying. The apostle Paul didn't rob the churches for this very reason, etc...
kjv Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

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Message 135 of 140 (380879)
01-29-2007 9:59 AM
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Re: No Place to Lay His Head
Judas would be very comfortable with modern fundamentalism, actually.
No, actually its more like the liberals tax and spend. You too seem to agree with depowering the churches which is not the apostle Paul witness to be robbing from the church.
Its about empowerment of the church to save up for their children not bondage to give all to the poor. 2 corinthians 12:14.
You want the church to give all to the poor but this is clearly not what the bible says. Save up for your children is clearly not giving all to the poor but the opposite. Its ok to save for your retirement because this is your inheritance to your children.
The prodical son is a story of a son sqandering all his inheritance to the point he was willing to become a slave. The other son didn't yet his Father welcomed his son that was lost. This is a bit like God giving up the retrobates to their desires and some actually coming back to the Father and the Father welcoming them back and the scriptures about the angels rejoicing when a sinner repents, etc..

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