Problems with Genesis Creation

Cop out.You can not say "There was a Flood and an Ice Age" as an answer to the question - "Why do swimming dinosaurs and primative fishes die during these times while dolphins and whales do not?"Are you suggesting that there wasn't enough food on the floor of the ocean for the trolobytes, but there was enough for the crabs who walked next to them? There wasn't enough for the tiniest of swimming dinosaurs, but there was plenty for the blue whale, the single largest animal on the face of the Earth?

Ya, I'm using dinosaurs little "d" meaning most of the animals that went extinct in the 100s of millions of years prior to "creation". I figure, no sense in complicating things more for jj

You are an odd duck.You are willing to accept a 14 billion year date for the universe but not a date for the Earth seperate from it? If you buy the technology used to date the universe, how can you not also accept that it gives a different date for the Earth?It's because you CHOOSE to be an "unbeliever".

so, to condense your message... Now because I do like quote mining, I'll give the full sentence. Guess what? We do. We have the answer.If you don't know how a car works, you don't say - "It's Magic!" you ask a mechanic.
If you don't know how a plane flyies, you don't say - "It's Magic!" you ask an aerospace engineer
But when it comes to, why are all the kangaroos ONLY in Australia - a giant land locked contenant? "That? Well, that's Magic"

Hate to break it to you, but you can't have "devolving" viruses, particularly if that virus is now able to infect new hosts.More importantly, you can't claim "de-evolution" as a refutation of "evolution" any more than we could claim "de-creation" as a refutation of "creation".If a virus exists in form A and mutates into form B which gives it new properties (the ability to effect Humans as well as Birds instead of just birds), then that virus has EVOLVED.Also, try answering questions that I ask, rather than posting links to someone else's answers to questions I didn't ask. Did I mention Noah having AIDs anywhere in this post (or any post)?

Nor does evolution claim that this should happen.I don't want to take this thread completely off topic, but I'll likely revive on of the "What do you by 'kind'" threads.Perhaps you can do better than your predicessors in giving that word a definition.I expect to see you over there.

If it's that simple, please demonstrate one act of creation for us right now. Please explain in detail the functionality of God's mechanisms for Creation. Or point out where exactly God was sitting when he performed this great hocus pocus.None of that is simple.If you're idea of simple is "fewer letters" try this.NO

By your account, you understand how a computer works, but since you were not around when Steve Jobs and Woz were working on the first Apple, then it was done by magic.That's a load of horse crap.The same technology that drove their computer still drives our computers.
The inverse is true as well.
The same technology that drives our computers drove theirs.The processes we see which cause evolution currently are the same processes which caused evolution previously.There is no need to say "It was magic".

This is a long thread, and its become splintered, so I'd like to go back and condense JJ's points so that people don't have to scan 10 pages to find them all.Note: I am obviously paraphrasing here, since this post would be a mile long if I didn't.My Points ---------------------- His Response
1)Comparitive Religeon ----------- other religions are wrong because I believe the Bible
2) Anthropology ----------------- flat denial of the question
3) Paleo-Anthropology ----------- Early homonid forms are descended from apes
4) Paleontology ----------------- I don't understand dating techniques
5) Paleontology 2---------------- The Flood happened millions of years ago
6) Paleontology 3---------------- After the Flood there was an Ice Age
7) Nuclear Physics---------------- I like to use short tools to measure long things
8) Radio-Carbon----------------- I like to use long tools to measure short things
9) Hydro-dynamics ---------------The flood happened because of volcanos
10) Conservation of Matter---------The water got magicked up by God
11) Magic! ----------------------God is magic! It's all Magic!
12) Dendrochronology-------------Trees grow new rings every time they get wet
13) Incest------------------------Noah did it with his daughter
14) Non-existance of fossils --------dinosaurs lived in special magic areas
15) Organization of Fossils ---------primative animals sink while modern animals float
16) Swimming Dinos --------------the flood killed all them but not the whales
17) Bio-diversity & Bio-isolation -----I don't know
18) Viruses-----------------------they evolve
19) Experimentation----------------we can't, cuz creationism is magic
20) Occam's Razor-----------------Unknowable, unfathomable magic is less complex than demonstratable biological mechanismsI'm sure JJ will protest this, but since we are 100 messages or so in and he has yet to respond to message 9 even, I doubt it will happen too soon.For those of you reading along, you may notice that some answers - particularly #3 and #18 are oddly pro-evolution. And #17 is, finally, a simple admitting of a lack of knowledge.

Ummm, why?What plants, bugs or birds can survive underwater for 40 days? (especially after all those volcanos you mentioned).And you still haven't explained why some sea creatures were fine while others were not.Not to mention the whole "kind" thing. That a discussion in and of itself.

JJ, haven't you noticed that every time you link AiG, the response is not simply "they are wrong" but instead "They have lied to you, and here's how they lied in great detail."IF the people at AiG are infact "very bright", clearly that intelligence is being used to deceive the people who visit the site.Alternately, if the people are AiG are NOT trying to deceive, then their fundamental misunderstanding of the subject about which they speak pegs them firmly in the NOT "very bright" catagory.Now, if you don't mind, get over to the JJ's definition of a Kind thread, we've been waiting for you for a couple days now.

Don't tell me, we've scared you off completely. Heck, we barely scratched the surface of the evidence, and you disappear. Sad.

Why were there Ice age adapted animals (giant ground sloth, mastadons, sabertooth tigers, etc) around for 1500 years before the Flood?Did God know mankind was going to have to be punished at the point of creation? If so, then mankind doesn't have free will after all.

If man has free will, but his destiny is pre-ordained, then what exactly is free will?

So in the past, all fish could live in salt and fresh water. How convienent.Do you notice that in order for your "simple solution" to work, all sorts of crazy magical shit has to be going on?Water acted different in the past. Volcanos were different in the past. Fish were different. People lived longer. There was more water then than there is today. etc etc etc.Just come out and say it: "Creationism is Magic"