Were Adam and Eve homo sapiens?

Yes, well, I could take you to task with this, but perhaps this belongs in another thread. It is a complex issue. But not before death, disease, famine, war and accidents were invented. It is true that the polluted living conditions of the Middle Ages weren't healthy, but that was more than offset by the advances in agriculture and health care that came along with civilisation. Nonsense. At least in the Middle Ages, people had farms that (usually) supplied them with food, and surgeons that could set broken bones (though they were fairly useless at preventing or curing infections).Take, as an example of how we would have lived 10,000 years ago, the current natives of New Guinea and Africa, mostly untouched by westerners. They don't live long healthy lives due to the lack of pollution.Why would you think cavemen would reproduce faster than medieval citizens? But who would be teaching speech to humanity?

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I've already explained why other organisms didn't develop speech but hominids did - much the same reason that only elephants gained a prehensile nose. Why are you not claiming that an elephants trunk is bestowed, as no other animal, despite billions of years, has developed it.Evolution does not have any set "aim" or "goals". It is not a process with the intent to create as many smart creatures as possible, or as many talking creatures as possible, or as many creatures with long noses as possible. The only criteria is survival, and that can be solved in a myriad of ways, only one of which is intelligence and speech.

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You were, for the sake of argument, assuming that speech evolved from grunts and hisses. Then, you point out that if this were true, other animals would have speech, and because they don't, evolution didn't create speech. I merely point out that there is a problem in the step where you assume that animals should have speech if speech was evolved.Of course it doesn't prove that speech did in fact evolve, but it does successfully defend your argument that it couldn't. It was not meant to support my claim, but to counter yours. But your premise that elephants have existed for all time is indeed incorrect, as many threads on this forum have endeavoured to show. We shall not get into it here, but perhaps it would be better if you don't make creationist assertions and I don't make evolutionist ones, as that will quickly derail this thread.I can do nothing here until you accept evolution as true, because the disagreement between yourself and myself stems from that, so any debating we can do here is pointless. I have shown you enough fossil evidence to support the idea that there were humans, who could speak, before 6000 years ago, but you haven't accepted it because of your distrust of palaeontology. I have shown you extrapolations about what the world population and health would have been like 10,000 years ago and before, but you do not accept it because of what the Bible tells you. Thus, this isn't getting anywhere.

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I agree with that, but I think for different reasons.I do not agree that they were the FIRST Homo sapiens, should they even exist at all, because Homo sapiens has existed for far longer than 6000 years, as has speech. However, I do believe that when Genesis was written, Adam and Eve were intended to be as human as those doing the writing, just as James Bond is human (but not real).Really, we're not debating the original question, but a side question.

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