intelligent design, right and wrong

if there is no intelligent design, there is no right or wrong. becuase, then, we are simply an accident on the face of a great universe, with no purpose whatsoever in life. then you start getting into questions like, well, if we have no purpose what difference does it make as far as what we do. with no purpose, killing people is the same as eating icecream. if our society would take up that belief we would soon have a terrible state of anarchy on our hands. so, i would say there has to be intelligent design, and right and wrong, because without it, this world would be a horrible place.

"I want to have a positive effect while I'm here."
who decides if its positive or not? with no god, or higher power that leaves us to set our own standards. you can solve world hunger, and make the world a peaceful place, but with everyone setting there own standards, they can decide its the worst thing ever done.

that in itself proves there is a higher power. human instinct, that doesnt happen by chance. that has to be painfully obvious. even if we could all just come together by random chance and accident, the instincts simply could not.

"There IS no right and wrong in a an absolute sense." therefore i can do whatever i want and its right. i rest my case.

"If God declared it to be good and moral to rape and kill and pilliage at will, would it therefore be moral to rape and pilliage and kill?"
our god is a just god, so, he would not declare that moral. but since he is god and created us in the first place, if he did, it would be more, however that is totally beside the point becuase he would not. and as far as people fighting over religon, that will always happen becuase there will always be people who are in my opinion, under the influence of the devil. then thy get there revelations they believe are from god, and proceed to go on murder charges. luckily, we believe that is WRONG. so someone eventually stops them. "We set our own standards regardless of belief in a higher power." if you would study history america was founded on a strong belief in god. our laws and standard were founded on Christian/Judeo principles. and, basically all laws, all over the world, have been founded on some sort of "religous" standards."How do we tell the difference between an Intelligently designed system and a natural one which we1) don't understand yet, or2) don't have the ability to understand?"sorry, but could reword that question, for some reason i'm not following you here.------------------

as i said in earlier post. god has not demanded people to rape, murder,etc. this is simply a case of an evil power controling them and they believe it is god.

of course the sun rises and sets according to the rotation of the sun, however, this fact does not make it impossible for god to be involved. god simply was smart enough to figure out how to make the sun rise and set without having to control it every day. and, i believe, if god wanted the earth to stop rotating, it would stop. if you want to look at the sun as an example, have you ever wondered how the sun, "just happened" to be in the right place so we would neither freeze to death nor burn to death? further science does nothing to diminish the image of god. it simply shows more of how god does things."We govern ourselves based upon how we were socialised as
children and adolescents"let me ask you this, was salvery right? thats how the people in the south were brought up, and thats how the society believed. but i still doubt many people believe slavery to be ok under these circumstances.[This message has been edited by biglfty, 05-20-2003]

old testemant and new testemant arent the same. old testemant sacrifce was needed, it isnt not anymore becuase jesus christ was the ultimate sacrifice. new testemant is the law we are held accountable to today. of course, that discussion is for another time and another place. i'm rushed for time right now, but one question, if we evolved so we could live under the circumstances of where the sun is today, wouldnt we have all died out before we got to a point where we could live under the sun?

ok, so how did the very first life form develop?

yea, thought so, thats just one evolutionists cant figure out. but anyways, anymore thoughts on intelligent design...o, and by the way, as i said earlier the law has changed since old and new testaments, show me anywhere in the new testament where god commanded people to kill and then you win.[This message has been edited by biglfty, 05-22-2003]

"What's your evidence that our ignorance about abiogenesis will be enduring?"well, the reason i choose to beleive in intelligent design is becuase of a strong faith in god, and in the bible(in simpler terms i am a christian) the bible is historically accurate. there was a man named jesus christ who came to earth who was messiah. and how do i know this? he fulfilled 318 prophesies that were written about him in the old testament.(and yes, it has been studied and there is very little doubt that the old testament was written before he ever showed up) so, if the old testament can predict 318 life happenings of someone that is going to live a couple hundred years later. i'm gonna put my money down that it knows what its talkin about when it says that god created everything down here. so, to answer our question, yes, our ignorance will be enduring simply becuase there will always be people trying to prove what is right, wrong. they will find a little evidence, but never can you prove that we just came to be by a freak accident.[This message has been edited by biglfty, 05-23-2003][This message has been edited by biglfty, 05-23-2003]

1) belief in god is criteria for intelligent design. it says that we were carefully created by god.
2) "God tells you what you like, right there in the Bible. How is it that you get to be editor and censor?" the old testament is an account of events of what happened and prophesies of the messiah. when jesus came he contradicted a lot of old testament, so yes, the old testament is true, but it is not what we are held accountable to today.
3)there is really no reason to believe the new testament was doctored. it was written by many people, who werent neccasarily together when they wrote it. yet, the different books say the same thing(obviously with a bit of difference from one viewpoint to another)

your right in the fact that belief in intelligent designe does not mean belief in god. but, belief in the bible does mean belief in intelligent design.

well, i'm gonna be computerless for about a week. and it would be kind of pointless to answer back then, plus i'm about out of answers anyways. so thats all for me on this post, or probably any other on here. sure is hard to win arguments with PHDs when your an 8th grader....

if i didnt want to learn anything i wouldnt be on here. i believe my views are right, but i also belive i have to learn the other side to make a difference.