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Parasomnium
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Message 112 of 126 (46275)
07-16-2003 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Peter
07-15-2003 7:21 AM


Peter,
You say
"[I think] the problem is that ID provokes very little
thought [...]"
I would rephrase that thusly:
"The problem is that ID is the result of very little thought."
"What claims does ID theory actually make?"
That the complexity of life can only be explained by assuming an intelligent designer. (And that some geezer called Paley found a watch somewhere.)
"What evidence supports such claims?"
None whatsoever.
"How could such claims be refuted?"
They cannot.
Cheers.
P.S. Peter, have you read Daniel Dennett's book "Darwin's Dangerous Idea"? In it, he eloquently argues that there's design in living nature, but that this doesn't necessarily imply an intelligent agent. So we can meet the ID-ers halfway: there's design, yes. But intelligence? Nope, there's no need for it. (Now lash out with Occam's Razor...)

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Message 116 of 126 (52391)
08-26-2003 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Brad McFall
08-26-2003 5:59 PM


Brad McFall writes:
On NAIG some one recently suggested the correct approach to ID aka information gain or loss vs chance but there is no scientific creationist CHANGE of Biblical Creationist INFORMATION on any ID in my pinned tag of the thought and as I personally could no gain by using ID literature I for myself short of disscuing to this much with others have dropped this creation science for the science of conflicts with atomic mentality that seems to inhibit theory in evolution elite itself!
OK, the way I see it, there are several possibilities here:
  • This is some hitherto unknown language that just happens to look like English;
  • Brad McFall is actually Alan Sokal in hoax mode again;
  • My computer has contracted a virus;
  • Brad McFall has been eating funny mushrooms;
  • I've been eating funny mushrooms;
  • I'm a brain in a vat and someone is messing with the wires.
More alternatives, anyone?

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Parasomnium
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Message 118 of 126 (52475)
08-27-2003 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Brad McFall
08-26-2003 8:43 PM


Re: get real
Brad McFall writes:
Stop beating around the terebith book and accept me for who I really am.
I would if I understood what you're on about.
Brad McFall writes:
I am not GOD.
Of course not. You exist.
Brad McFall writes:
your ears are closed to the truth and that is just what I said so you have no excuse. Perhaps your lens are too heavy.
I'm sorry, I don't hear too well through my lenses.
Brad McFall writes:
I know how to use the following:
Biblical Creationism
Scientific Creationsim
Creation Science
and I did ON AIR, Live with CAll ins. Try being a fair producer no matter which camera the director TAKES and you will soon realize that this is language that will remain the the public square no matter that marxist ethics is MORE controversial and a worse offendor of lingo extrodinar.
Well, if it's a matter of who talks funniest, then I guess you might be right.
Brad McFall writes:
I HAD a Chrisitan upbringing thta allowed me a larger veiw of biology than was ALLLOWED at cornell.
Didn't do your spelling much good, though.
Brad McFall writes:
It had nothing to do with religon it had to do with Marxist PERCEPTION. Perception as your post noted is ONLY 1/2 of the reality.
Sometimes, as in your case, perception has no relation with reality whatsoever.
Brad McFall writes:
If you learn to READ creation literature as I was helped out by the book beyond the Day (see BookNook) you will find that such is not offensive to seculars only they have not actually been taught to READ it.
Am I to understand that 'READING' is something else then 'reading'? It sounds very profound and all, but I suspect it just comes down to interpreting creation literature. I've seen it before and it doesn't impress me in the least.
Brad McFall writes:
One letter at atime my friend.
Takes too long, 'my friend'.
Brad McFall writes:
Intelligent Design refers to GOD like it or not.
Of course it does, we all know that. It's just that there is no Intelligent Design.
Brad,
I just came up with another possibility:
  • Brad McFall is rambling incoherently

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Parasomnium
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Message 120 of 126 (52478)
08-27-2003 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by crashfrog
08-27-2003 9:39 AM


Crashfrog writes:
Do you suppose you might, at least for a minute, entertain the possibility that you're picking on someone with a very real cognitive disorder?
I'm sorry, but how am I to know? Anyway, I'm entertaining that possibility all the time. He's not the only candidate, you know.
Crashfrog writes:
Isn't that "dirty cricket", as they say across the Pond?
I wouldn't know, I live beyond the next pond.
Crashfrog writes:
Maybe a little (or a lot) less Brad-baiting would be in order.
I may have overstepped a line, I believe. If so, I'm sorry. Would you care to fill me in on Brad?

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Parasomnium
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Message 123 of 126 (52482)
08-27-2003 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by MrHambre
08-27-2003 9:57 AM


Point taken, Mr Hambre. Whereas he wanted me to take him as he really is, in my naivet I took him for what he really wasn't.
One more thing, Mr Hambre. You might at least have warned me not to sip my tea while reading your sentences. Now I have tea all over my keyboard. Thanks.

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Parasomnium
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Message 124 of 126 (52483)
08-27-2003 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Quetzal
08-27-2003 10:09 AM


Thanks, Quetzal. I'll keep it in mind. Uncle Brad, eh?
Oh, and I'm glad I finished my tea altogether when I read your post.

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