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Author Topic:   intelligent design, right and wrong
John
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Message 20 of 126 (40566)
05-18-2003 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by biglfty
05-18-2003 10:00 AM


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our god is a just god, so, he would not declare that moral. but since he is god and created us in the first place, if he did, it would be more, however that is totally beside the point becuase he would not.
But he has done exactly this. Read your OT. You'll find tale after tale of rape and pillaging on God's orders via men who supposedly had God's ear.
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John
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Message 29 of 126 (40824)
05-20-2003 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by biglfty
05-18-2003 2:58 PM


But, then, you aren't much of a Bible reader.
Isaiah 13:16-- God threatens some folk with the raping of wives and the dashing to bits of children
Zechariah 14:2-- same threat, different time and with the child bashing
2 Samuel 12:11-- God yet again feels that rape is fine way to settle things.
As for murder, have you forgotten the many campaigns of conquest in the OT. And the events preceeding the exodus? Remember the bit about killing the firstborn...? How about, "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live?" ( Exodus 22:18 ) Is this not an injunction to kill?
You can, of course, argue that this is 'punishment' or warfare or what-have-you but the remains that it is God's will. Your statement is just plain false.
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John
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Message 41 of 126 (41092)
05-23-2003 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by biglfty
05-22-2003 9:08 AM


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o, and by the way, as i said earlier the law has changed since old and new testaments, show me anywhere in the new testament where god commanded people to kill and then you win.
Tell you what. You rip the OT out of your Bible and I'll believe that this position is more than an ill thought out posture. See. So long as you are reading the OT, quoting from it, and taking guidance; it is pretty hard to take your statement seriously. It tells me that you are selectively mining the OT for quotes you like, while whining about portions you don't like. And who are you to decide what you like and don't? Right? God tells you what you like, right there in the Bible. How is it that you get to be editor and censor?
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