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Truth is Relative

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Dr Jack
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08-10-2007 7:23 AM 		Reply to: Message 4 by Hyroglyphx
08-10-2007 1:42 AM

Re: Is truth relative?
No matter how you phrase it, you'll end up committing a fatal flaw. You can't deny an absolute without asserting another.
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Not really. It's a different level of philosophy - a metaphysics rather than a physics. The statement 'There is no absolute truth' is a metaphysical statement about the physics of the world, not a statement about the metaphysics of a world. It is quite possible to construct this in a logical consistent manner.
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Dr Jack
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08-10-2007 7:49 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
08-09-2007 2:04 PM

The body confirming conformity is reality itself. If you choose to believe things that are counter to reality it will always show. Belief cannot will anything into being; believing fervently that humans and dinosaurs lived together will not bring fossil evidence into being. Believing you can fly will not stop you falling to your death if you leap off a building.
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08-12-2007 5:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Phat
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Re: Relatives
So are you saying that reality is a matter of perception?
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If I ceased to exist, would reality thus cease to exist?
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No. That would be the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
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Jon said "Now, my problem with the idea of 'truth' is that it is only as good as the body determining the conformity of a statement to the reality." My reply to this is that the body determining conformity is reality itself.
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08-14-2007 7:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 32 by riVeRraT
08-14-2007 7:21 AM

Re: Not clear that math has absolutes.
Strictly, he said 'of the same something', so you need:
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two piles of sand, add two more piles of sand and end up with one pile of sand.
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