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Author Topic:   Where are the left wingers, I ask?
Omnivorous
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Message 3 of 50 (417675)
08-23-2007 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
08-23-2007 6:59 PM


Here I is!
quote:
Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31
I seem to be lodged in the lower left corner of the grid, where I will stand my ground.
I bet Ringo is nearby.
I feel the Constitution near me, too--the Declaration of Independence and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights even nearer.
The Wrong American Right (WAR) has succeeded in shifting the spectrum hard to the right in recent decades.
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

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Omnivorous
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Message 5 of 50 (417679)
08-23-2007 8:11 PM
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08-23-2007 8:03 PM


Re: Here I is!
I think it was my support for mandatory school attendance that kept me from going off-scale.

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Message 10 of 50 (417685)
08-23-2007 8:23 PM
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08-23-2007 8:13 PM


Kiss me, I'm a Commie!
Is that too chatty?

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Message 12 of 50 (417690)
08-23-2007 8:44 PM
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08-23-2007 8:42 PM


brenna writes:
but seriously. there is a vocal minority of lefties. but they're on the internet and they forget to vote. the majority of this country is falling off the right cliff. and in the mean time, we have this imaginary spectre of the evil commie left which you and i encourage with our extremism. of course, we probably vote differently than we e-quiz.
True. I vote for the person closest to my philosophy who has a snowball's chance of winning.
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Message 14 of 50 (417692)
08-23-2007 8:55 PM
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08-23-2007 8:49 PM


brenna writes:
i really can't see that anyone out there has a chance of winning. i just really don't see it. not at all.
So far, me too.
I'm hoping a candidate will have a fugue and just start telling the truth.
I'm not holding my breath.
Still, come election day, I'll vote for bad rather than worse.
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Message 16 of 50 (417694)
08-23-2007 9:01 PM
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08-23-2007 8:56 PM


I'm still bewildered in the wilderness, stunned that Democrats gave GWB more surveillance powers.
It was this kind of lack of choice that had me canvasing door to door for the Peace and Freedom Party back in 1968.
But I'd vote for hillary or barak over any Republican candidate.
Nader was a watershed for me in terms of political pragmatism: he claimed Repub v. Demo was Tweedle-Dum v. Tweedle-Dee. But in fact no Democrat would have done the damage that GWB has done.

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Message 18 of 50 (417696)
08-23-2007 9:03 PM
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08-23-2007 9:01 PM


I think they would all score solidly liberal by today's measure.

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Message 22 of 50 (417791)
08-24-2007 4:10 PM
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08-24-2007 12:25 AM


Taz writes:
This week on Larry King, Bill Maher said that the democrats hated the surveillance thing so much that they legalized it.
That makes as much sense as anything else.
Democrats voting for the surveillance legislation reminds me of the old recurring SNL skit, where they would show a politician or other public figure saying something bone-headed and ask, "What Were You Thinking?"--which was the name of the fictional show featured in the skit.
Now Democrat legislators are saying they were "rushed into" passing the bill without time to read or consider it closely. What the hell kind of excuse is that?
I've e-mailed my Rep and Senator to voice my dismay--I recommend frequent contact with those folks. They may not listen to one voice, but they will listen to thousands.

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Message 30 of 50 (417997)
08-25-2007 8:05 PM
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08-24-2007 5:43 PM


that had me canvasing door to door for the Peace and Freedom Party back in 1968.
Heh. Wallace was on the ballot, so Arkansas just omitted a write-in slot for Mr Cleaver. That made me angry. Very angry.
And my car probably had the only P&F Party sticker in all of northwest Arkansas that year.
We used to set up Peace and Freedom Party displays outside factory gates. Let me tell you, these were hard-time, paid-dues appearances!
Finally, we came up with a great idea: we dressed one of us in baseball catcher's gear, and put up a sign: HIT THE HIPPIE! and provided buckets of bean bags. The guys coming out of the factory gates would spend 10-15 minutes pelting the hippie, and then we could talk. Getting past the rage of a life unjustly limited is half the battle.
Later in life (though not much later), I spent two years working in a Chevrolet truck factory. For 8 to 16 hours a day (lots of overtime), I carried pick-up side panels and beds through the production line: even the Army didn't put as much muscle on my frame. I had a T-shirt that said, "If you can't kick my ass, ask about my politics."
Lost a few teeth. Talked a lot.
The working class is always a ripe audience for progressive politics. Problem is, nobody really talks to them: around them, over their heads, beneath their notice, past them--but not to them. If a Democrat rediscovers how to tap into working class rage, it will transform our nation.
There is a deep well of radical perspective in working class America, but the Republicans have walled it off with homophobia, racism, and religious intolerance.

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Message 47 of 50 (418392)
08-27-2007 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Hyroglyphx
08-27-2007 6:36 PM


Re: Intentionally slanted? Apparently
n_j writes:
As for my score, I got pretty much a bullseye, which I almost always get on that test. My score is nearly dead center with a slight deviation towards the libertarian right.
Do you think that is accurate, despite your reservations about the test?

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