Christmas Star Explained

Before discussing explanations for the star it needs to be established that there was a star.There are good reasons for doubting the reality of not jsut the star but almost all of Matthew's Nativity story. Luke's nativity story is quite different - to the point where we cannot reasonably accept both as true. There is no corroboration from any other source, not for the star or the three wise men or for the alleged Massacre of the Innocents (which is the sort of thing we might expect the author of Matthew to invent).Whether the reason Ramoss suggests is correct or not it is most likely that this star is a fiction.

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The records of the area were controlled by those that had Jesus killed, and the bible documents the fact they tried to hire liars to say He never arose, and other things. They were known liars, and no doubt their records reflected that. Much the same way that the defeated Egyptians of old likely purged their records of their abject defeat at God's hands!

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Rubbish. Firstly if nobody knew that it had happened then the author of Matthew couldn't have known that it happened. Secondly Herod never had that degree of control.As for the Egyptians if you really think that a crushed Egypt could purge the records of rival states or hide all the archaeological evidence you're just being silly.So all you've got is lame excuses to try and explain away the fact that the evidence doesn't support you. Even then you have to ignore some of the evidence.

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Rubbish. WE knew, and WE had records coming out the keester. OUR records WE kept, and God kept, and they were not subject to the wily wicked ways of men. We knew just fine, we touched Him saw, and heard Him, and knew Him, and all about the events of the time.

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What records ? If you have so many records where are they ? All you have is one story, that is probably just a fiction.

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Secondly, Herod was not who I was talking about, if he was even alive when the official records of the star were expunged, if they were.

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Herod is the only person who fits your description. Later authorities would be in no position to connect the alleged star to Jesus. But then there's no evidence that there were any official records.

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Prove it. I don't believe you.

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If Egypt lost a large portion of its army and population (don't forget that the Exodus supposedly took 2,000,000 people out of Egypt - itself a large fraction of the population on top of the supposed deaths) then it would be in no position to force other nations to hide the fact. How could it be ? Rather we should see other nations taking advantage of Egypt's greatly weakened state. And how can you hide a population crash ?But never mind that. It's up to you to prove that we should trust Matthew's story. Not invent excuses to explain away the evidence against it.

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If you are talking about the topic, the starship of God, there is no evidence other than the bible, that I have seen. What is there to ignore?? Focus. If you are claiming some evidence show us. Otherwise, what is it you are talking about??

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The evidence you are ignoring is in the Bible. Luke's Nativity story. It's too different from Matthew's. It is evidence that Matthew's story is fiction.

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Our records were eventually compiled into the bible. This is news?

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Not really. I knew that you didn't have the records you claimed.

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Of course they would, the scribes and pharisees knew all about these things.

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How would they ? And if the story had been around for more than 30 years how could they suppress it ?

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What other nations were there in Egypt, while they were getting clobbered??? Who do you think they wanted to hide it FROM??!

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Probably traders and ambassadors and messengers from most of the nations in the region. And how do you hide a disaster of that magnitude without anybody noticing that something's up ?

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No need to prove the bible here, it is assumed true. You can assume what you like. What we are looking at is the bible Christmas star, and what it really was, not whether it really was.

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Like I said you've got no evidence that there was a star. You just have to assume it. Oh and pretend to have records that don't exist. End of thread. There's nothing worth discussing.

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The only real evidence I can think of outside the bible, is the lack of evidence for the star, which IS evidence it was not a modern sense star!

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Of course it wasn't a star because it wasn't anything. THere is no record because there was no star. That's why none of the other Biblical authors know about it.

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What in Luke do you think means that the star was not a starship??

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It's evidence that Matthew's story - including the star - is a fiction. If there wasn't a star then it wasn't a spaceship.