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kuresu Member (Idle past 2542 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
and all sorts of imaginary things to cook up a hot core In a planet? A hot core to start with. Little hint for you--we can tell the temperature of the earth's core, and it is slowly cooling. In a star? Nuclear fusion. You know, how stars generate light.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:As part of a bigger plan. Much bigger. quote:"a. The personal character of the language (the Lord came down to see the city and the tower) indicates this may very well have been a case where God came down in the form of a man, in the Person of Jesus Christ. b. Let Us go down is another subtle reference to the Trinity."David Guzik's Commentary - StudyLight.org Capice??
quote:Glad you said that, now, prove it!!! Show us it took 1000 years to build the ark!!! Busted. quote:I say it is. Deal with it. The spiritual separated from the physical is division, as well as continents seperating, languages, etc. Support your 100 year claim here, as I call you out on it.
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simple  Inactive Member |
Here is a hint for you, NO, you can't begin to do ANYTHING of the sort. I call you out here. Stop making claims you cannot support. Really.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
As part of a bigger plan. Much bigger. i love how with you nothing is as it seems.
"a. The personal character of the language (the Lord came down to see the city and the tower) indicates this may very well have been a case where God came down in the form of a man, in the Person of Jesus Christ. so, everytime god does anything remotely physical, it's jesus? well, that's reading a whole lot into it.
I say it is. Deal with it. The spiritual separated from the physical is division, as well as continents seperating, languages, etc. er, no, you have present evidence that the text actually means something it doesn't say instead of the rather obvious superficial reference. we know what you think. but you have yet to present any logic or reason that anyone else should think so too -- when the alternatives are make much more sense.
Show us it took 1000 years to build the ark!!! Busted. ... Support your 100 year claim here, as I call you out on it. quote: quote: quote: quote: a hundred years pass between the birth of shem and the flood. shem is born after the 120 years proclamation. for confirmation, check genesis 11:
quote: shem was 98 when during the flood. shem was born after the proclamation. so it took noah roughly 100 years from when he found grace in god's eyes, until the flood. this also roughly matches the 120 years. it's the same 100 years, give or take a little where it's unspecified. i seriously fail to see how anyone could possibly read it otherwise.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4629 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
quote: Kuresu writes:
In a planet? A hot core to start with. Little hint for you--we can tell the temperature of the earth's core, and it is slowly cooling.quote: Here is a hint for you:
Now I call you out. Support your claims that we do not have a hot core. Feel free to create a new topic, it would be interesting to see how you begin to deny this.
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simple  Inactive Member |
In chapter 6, we have the warning. Later, it talks about Noah, and that he had three sons etc.
From chap 5. we see the ages of these sons. Now, can you prove that it was after the warning that Shem was born???? What really says that? The fact that it is later in the chapter alone may not do it? This is all it says in 6 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. It is not necessary to infer that all 3 sons were born after the warning, and in the same year, is it?? Edited by simple, : No reason given.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Now, can you prove that it was after the warning that Shem was born???? i'm sorry, you'll just have to READ genesis 6, where one event happens after the other.
It is not necessary to infer that all 3 sons were born after the warning, and in the same year, is it?? it's not too important, the numbers don't match exactly. it just gives an idea of the time frame, roughly 100 years. and in any case, as i pointed out to you last time we discuss this, peleg was born more than 200 years after the decree.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
simple
I shall take this to a new thread since it is off topic here.
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simple  Inactive Member |
I did that. I guess we then have to read the previous chapter, 5, where Noah already had his sons as well. Then we read about the warning in chap 6! Then, later in 6, as well as other chapters, it recaps the bit about Noah.
Interesting. Therefore, I see no reason why this warning was in the 5 hundreth year of the life of Noah after all. He was already 500 and had sons before the warning chapter starts. Therefore, the exact time of the warning can't be known from this chapter. I think we could work backwards from Peleg, when the earth was divided, and get pretty close. Why not!??Peleg was say, 101 years after the flood. That means that the warning had to be about 24 years before the flood. That means that Shem was something like about 76 years old already. The chronology is for the birth order, therefore, not the warning time, obviously. Unless you have some other evidence to bring to bear on the issue, we will have to have different opinions here.
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simple  Inactive Member |
OK, I'll try. they seem to not want to allow me to do that, for some reason. The last one I proposed, they wanted to stick somewhere that no one could post on it.
We'll see how this attempt goes. If it goes through, look for a thread called"Why the interior of the earth is cool?"
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I did that. I guess we then have to read the previous chapter, 5, where Noah already had his sons as well. Then we read about the warning in chap 6! Then, later in 6, as well as other chapters, it recaps the bit about Noah. it recaps it in the context of the story. genesis 5 is not in the story. but gives the age. the age of shem at the flood, and common sense confirm this.
Therefore, the exact time of the warning can't be known from this chapter. I think we could work backwards from Peleg, when the earth was divided, and get pretty close. Why not!?? because the warning very obviously states that god means to destroy mankind. not make random changes in the laws of nature. destroy mankind. you realy have to pay attention to WHAT things say. since god subsequently destroys mankind and only a few verses later, it stands to reason that that's what he was talking about.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:Chap 5 doesn't even mention the flood! 32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth. That is all it says on Noah. Gotcha.
quote:NOT the warning I mean! There are two. One about the flood, obviously, the other is the 120 year thing. Nothing bout the flood at all in that. Try and pay some attention to what things say, will you??
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Chap 5 doesn't even mention the flood! 32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth. That is all it says on Noah. Gotcha. yes, and chapter six which is about the flood puts that proclamation before noach has sons. chapter five is simply a genealogy and does not tell the events of noach's life. chapter six does.
NOT the warning I mean! There are two. One about the flood, obviously, the other is the 120 year thing. ...no, those are the same thing. it's 120 years until the flood. the 120 year statement refers to god destroying mankind. god destroys mankind (except noach) with the flood -- it's about the flood. get it? you are trying to connect this to something else that you've simply made up and are butchering a fairly obvious reference to mean something it cannot. WHAT it says is IMPORTANT. you cannot ignore the statement itself.
Nothing bout the flood at all in that. Try and pay some attention to what things say, will you?? i have been. it is you who is not paying attention to what things say.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote: Since Noah and sons were already in chapter 5, no.
quote:False, that is pure opinion. The 120 years can't be tagged to the flood. The other warning covered that. You only assume, as I used to, that the 120 years also referred to the flood. quote:False, no more than I made up the new heavens, get a grip.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Just a gentle reminder to all participants that this topic was started by bernerbits and is focused on the following:
Bernerbits writes: If humans just had big enough brains to figure out how to use their digestive and respiratory systems to convert grunts into complex communication, how do you handle the creationist attack that says this seemingly came out of nowhere? If humans (and language) were created by God, did language naturally evolve over the course of thousands of years, or did God suddenly poof all of linguistic diversity into existence in order to thwart the pesky humans who were trying to build a skyscraper and getting too close to his front door? If God created linguistic diversity, how do you account for the fact that language continues to evolve today and modern English is less than 1000 years old? And does that mean "universal" languages like Esperanto that try to unite people are sinful since they would be contrary to God's will? Edited by AdminPhat, :
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