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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It would be nice for a change if some Creationist ever presented a model for their theory. Instead, we get the Type 3 poster like this one and the occasional Type 1 poster.
But hope springs eternal. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Yeah, you've got to give Salty his due on that one. He may have been a crazy whackjob, but he was a crazy whackjob with a theory that made some sort of sense, it was clearly wrong but it did make sense.
TTFN, WK
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
But how many you moderators are evolutionists? This site seems extremely biased. Claiming evolutionary beliefs as scientific is one example. Your saying that the site is biased because some of the posters take one side of the very debate this site is set up to encourage? Would an unbiased site for the discussion of evolution versus creationism consist entirely of creationists patting each other on the back? Oh, and there are, for your information, several creationist moderators. Is it your idea that to have an unbiased site they should ban everyone who says that evolution is scientific? Well, this might be very cosy for you, but it would be much less like a debate.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Stop evading the questions you don't like answering. You can all preach to me about the "scientificness" of evolution. I don't much care. Until you can explain nothingness that the Big Bang started from...preach your own little religion at me. Who told you that the Big Bang had anything to do with evolution, or that it "started from nothingness"?
And I would once again like to point out that this site is hypocritical. It is not at all a fair playground for evo vs creo debates. Why not? You can say what you please, so can we. If the facts are on our side, this isn't the fault of the website.
All the evo's just gang up and pounce, you can say its because creo's stupid and there is no support for it and im just a lone moron. No, there are plenty of creationists who post on this site. When you can agree on one thing besides that creationism is right and science is wrong, maybe you could gang up on us.
Or maybe this site is just highely tipped towards evo's ... How? There are, as I've pointed out, creationist moderators.
... and their seemingly unsatiable pride and need to be superior in arguement and tenacity. "Need to be superior in argument". Clearly not a need that you've ever felt. Well, you go on being inferior in argument if that's what pleases you --- but then don't be surprised if we win all the arguments. Perhaps you should try being "superior in argument" once in a while. Of course, this would entail you being right. Good luck with that. As for "pride", I don't think that my disdain for you is greater than yours for me, though I believe that mine is rather better expressed. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
And your saying that believing the God created the world and gives you the hope and joy of experiencing an eternal existence is any harder to believe than we all evolved from from inorganic (as in not living) soup which exploded from nothing and all we have to look forward is to dying and being reprocessed back into the earth. = No. If you are interested in knowing what people are saying, feel free to look at what they actually say.
There are just as many problems with the evolution theory as there are with the creation theory. Saying it doesn't make it true.
So to state your superiorty in scientific evidence seems to me, ignorant and foolish. Well, I'm glad you made it clear that "pride" is the besetting sin of evolutionists. 'Cos we'd not have guessed, when we saw you abolish the last 150 years of biology just on your say-so.
I would also like to know how inorganic compounds became organic? Then you might want to learn some basic chemistry. Enjoy.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2508 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: Would an unbiased site for the discussion of evolution versus creationism consist entirely of creationists patting each other on the back? I think a level playing field could be achieved if we banned evidence from the discussion, meaning both sides would have to argue without the use of it, instead of just one.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
DiscipleFire writes: I would also like to know how inorganic compounds became organic? The first thing you should learn about chemistry is that "organic" and "inorganic" don't mean what you think. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And your saying that believing the God created the world and gives you the hope and joy of experiencing an eternal existence is any harder to believe than we all evolved from from inorganic (as in not living) soup which exploded from nothing and all we have to look forward is to dying and being reprocessed back into the earth. Of course, believing in God even the Christian God has nothing to do with the validity of the Theory of Evolution. Trying to use that as part of the argument is simply as futile and worthless as thinking that attacking one theory adds support to another. The FACT is that Evolution is accepted by many if not most Christians, and in the words of the Clergy Letter, an open letter currently endorsed by over 11,000 US Christian Clergy:
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. So two steps. First, attacking the current models does nothing to support Creationism. Second, pretending it is a religious or Christian issue is simply false. So next step is to see if you can present models that explain what is seen better than the current models. So far NO Creationist has ever been able to do so, which is why they simply run away instead of trying to support Creationism. Edited by TrueChristian, : an Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I would also like to know how inorganic compounds became organic? Uhh...Woehler showed that in eighteen-thirtysomething. And the dusty gas off red giant stars and in planetary nebulae does it every day. Like niacin from star-stuff.
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DiscipleFire Junior Member (Idle past 6038 days) Posts: 7 Joined: |
I've decided I don't believe in either, now prove to me evolution is true. We don't have to prove creationism. Explain to me how something that is not living can become living.
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DiscipleFire Junior Member (Idle past 6038 days) Posts: 7 Joined: |
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DiscipleFire Junior Member (Idle past 6038 days) Posts: 7 Joined: |
"in the last days there will come scoffers"
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
DiscipleFire writes: "in the last days there will come scoffers" Irrelevant and as pointed out to you, unrelated to the issues of either Evolution or Christianity. It also does nothing to support Creationism. If you expect Creationism to ever be more than just something to laugh about, then you need to present the models that explain what is seen better than the current models. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
And your saying that believing the God created the world and gives you the hope and joy of experiencing an eternal existence is any harder to believe than we all evolved from from inorganic (as in not living) soup which exploded from nothing and all we have to look forward is to dying and being reprocessed back into the earth. Are you trying to claim that God and evolution are mutually exclusive? Do you really believe that? Why? It doesn't make any sense. There was a topic a month or two back in which creationists were asked to present their best evidence. For the longest time, there were no takers. We were practically begging them to present evidence, any evidence, that supported creationism. Finally a creationist presented the only "evidence" that he could, that if you look at the world in a certain way with certain preconceptions that you might be able to say that it kind of looks like design. Nobody was suppressing creationists nor even trying to, but rather were doing the exact opposite. It's just that "creation science", in the nearly 40 years of its existence and in the century of creationist efforts that preceded it and from which it had drawn heavily, has accumulated no evidence to present. Now, if you believe that you do have any evidence for your ideas of creation, you should resurrect that topic and present it.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
The ToE describes how life evolves once it becomes life. It says nothing about how life arose. Your insistence that we explain something to you that has nothing to do with the ToE suggests that your rejection of it may have something to do with the fact that you don't know what it says in the first place.
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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