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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Reading the link provided seems to indicate that either his statements were taken out of context or he simply don't know shit.
If indeed Coleman is correct in his assessment, that the warming trend is a perfectly natural one that is not due to human intervention, what will this mean for the side of house that continues to support the assertion of anthropogenic global warming? Guess what? It does not matter one bit whether the warming trend is man made or perfectly natural. No one cares. We have been over this many times Nem. The fact is that the only parts we can influence are those parts that are man made. We cannot control those factors that are natural. If the warming trend is completely natural, the only way to address it is by reducing the man made contribution. If the warming trend is partly natural, partly man made, the only way to address it is by reducing the man made contribution. If the warming trend is completely man made, the only way to address it is by reducing the man made contribution. We can only address those factors we can control. Regardless of what causes the trend, we can see the results happening. The issue is simply will we actually try to address what is happening and minimize the economic, logistic, cultural and personal effects, or will we, like the current Administration and every Republican Administration since Ford, just stick our fingers in our ears and say "It's not SUVs!" Edited by jar, : fix sub-title Edited by jar, : appalin spallin Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As posted in Message 3.
The issue is simply will we actually try to address what is happening and minimize the economic, logistic, cultural and personal effects, or will we, like the current Administration and every Republican Administration since Ford, just stick our fingers in our ears and say "It's not SUVs!" Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If Global Warming doesn't matter and its not going to hurt anything then why "minimize the economic, logistic, cultural and personal effects"? No one said it is not going to hurt anything, even the silly blog entry quoted in the Op only said:
quote: Sorry but there are a whole bunch of things that might effect me without putting the planet in peril. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It seems a lot of people do care, yourself included. Please point out where anything I have said shows I care whether it is natural or man made?
What then do you suggest we do? And of your suggestions, do you follow your own advice? Or is it a case of do as I say, not as I do? Well, we start by mandating higher fuel economy for all new vehicles. We actually cut down on driving where we can. We oppose truly stupid ideas like alcohol from corn. And guess what. I actually do and have done such things for long, long time.
Okay.... How? What does that actually even mean? Does it mean, stop driving? Does it mean, stop using plastics? Does it mean, start recycling? Does it mean knitting your own grocery bags so as to not use paper or plastic bags? Does it mean, shut down factories? Does it mean, boycott fossil fuels? What does it mean in your opinion, to be Green? It means reduce driving and make transportation more efficient. No, little need to stop using plastics. Using your own grocery bags is a nice thing to do. No it does not mean boycotting fossil fuels but it wouldn't hurt to add about 100% to the current taxes. Start recycling? Sheesh. Shut down factories? No. Make them more efficient, sure. You mention we need to move towards a substitute for fossil fuels. While making that transition, it also seems reasonable to extend the life of the existing supplies by using what we have more efficiently. We could start by increasing the average fuel economy figure of new cars to 50MPG. Another step we should be taking is to endorse Kyoto. We should begin setting aside funds for amelioration. We need to consider how we will relocate much of the population living within five miles of the US coast. Water is already becoming a crisis issue in the US. We need to be creating plans to deal with the coming water crisis. We need to be ready for the international problems, what will happen when India and Bangladesh are faced with many millions of folk streaming to the mainland from the Maldives and Indonesia? Shall I continue? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Right. The whole thread is , really, a hypothetical situation. What if those results are erroneous, and Global Warming is just going to flutter out. No catastrophe. No problem. The "suppose there is no crisis" argument is among the stupidest presented. Most reasonable people buy insurance. We buy life insurance, health insurance, liability insurance, collision and comprehensive insurance, homeowners insurance and policies to address other risks. I have not had a flood, yet I have flood insurance. My house has not had a fire yet I insure against the risk. I have not had an accident in forty years or so, yet still insure my automobile. A reasonable person prepares ahead of time to try to mitigate the harmful effects of the risks faced. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
See Message 3.
It doesn't really matter whether or not "human-produced emissions are responsible", human-produced emissions are the only parts we actually have any control over. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
To the best of my knowledge the US is not an Asian Nation.
In addition, unless you can provide some support for your assertion that Nemesis is superstitious and offended by the idea of insurance, I suggest you consider apologizing. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do we know the extent to which human-produced emissions are responsible for the warming? If the extent is minimal, then what we do won't really make a difference. That is pretty much irrelevant. The only part we can influence is the part we can control. It is certainly possible that no matter how much we do we will not succeed, but if we do nothing that is the sure outcome. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not from some weather report talking head, but still of interest.
The world will have to end its growth of carbon emissions within seven years and become mostly free of carbon-emitting technologies in about four decades to avoid killing as many as a quarter of the planet's species from global warming, according to top United Nations' scientists. UN Climate Change report Basically it says bend over, put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye. And the problem is NOT Global Warming but politicians unwilling to be honest or tell folk what they really need to hear. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
More taxes will be needed, but it is how they will be spent and the steps that need to be taken that will require saying and doing many things that will not garner votes.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But that's what I'm trying to figure out: if the current warming is happening largely due to non-human factors then the catastrophe will happen regardless. A lot of people will have made a lot of sacrifices for nothing. I'm sorry but that is simply silly. We do know that many of the things we do increase warming. We also know of many things that can decrease warming. In addition we can predict what some of the effects of global warming will be and prepare to ameliorate some of the pain and suffering those effects will cause. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's what I'm trying to ascertain. Do we know how much of the current warming is because of the things we do? Is this warming even abnormal or is it something that would have happened regardless of our activities? That is irrelevant. See Message 3.
Like you'll often find me saying in the Bibical threads, predictions must be specific, measurable and time-bound. I'm sorry but "global warming will cause some extreme weather" doesn't quite cut it for me. Are there any specific predictions that have been verified so far? Yes, the permafrost is disappearing, glaciers receding, sea level rising, weather patterns changing, animal ranges moving; the list goes on and on. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't think you read the answers.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So are you saying we should not take advantage of insurance?
Are you saying we should not prepare for disasters? Are you saying that like we did with Katrina, we should wait until after something happens to begin thinking about mitigating consequences? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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