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Author Topic:   Weather Channel founder calls Global Warming "a scam."
Fosdick 
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Message 42 of 124 (434788)
11-17-2007 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by New Cat's Eye
11-16-2007 11:54 PM


The coming ice age?
CS writes:
The issue, for me at least, is how much of an effect man can have on the natural fluctuation.
This seems to be the key issue for me, but obviously not so for most global-warming alarmists and detractors. Everything we have learned from evidence of global climate changes in the past indicate that nature steers our biospheric temperatures with rubber bands. One extreme leads to the opposite extreme, just like the seasons, as if there is climatic karma. We may be worried this century about glacial melting and rising oceans, and next century it could be sinking oceans and glaciers burying Nebraska. In other words, instead of worrying about global warming, maybe we should be worried about the coming ice age. And maybe next century we'll be pumping as many greeenhouse gases into the atmosphere as we can to prevent the Okefenokee Swamp from freezing solid.
The honest-to-goodness truth is that nobody knows what to expect from nature beyond our traditional two-week planning horizon.
”HM

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Message 44 of 124 (434792)
11-17-2007 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by crashfrog
11-17-2007 11:38 AM


Re: The coming ice age?
So is anything about our long-term climate change really predictable? Do we know enough about it to say with any certainty that the year 2100 we be warmer or colder than the historical average?
”HM

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Message 72 of 124 (434975)
11-18-2007 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Legend
11-18-2007 8:42 AM


Futility
Legend writes:
But that's what I'm trying to figure out: if the current warming is happening largely due to non-human factors then the catastrophe will happen regardless. A lot of people will have made a lot of sacrifices for nothing.
I fear that you are right. This is not a trivial concern. I fear the global-warming activists are trying to move those perverbial deck chairs around to balance out a listing Titanic. With an exponentially growing human population we can be certain that something will come along to make our our swelling numbers fit into a logistic curve. I'm have trouble understanding how 10 billion people are going to all work together to collectively stave off a climatic disaster. No matter what we do about global warming, we stand a better than even chance of being overtaken by other ecological and/or pathological disasters. Something has to trim our numbers.
Any good population biologist wants to know specifically what are the causes of a growing population's exponentiality shifting rapidly into a logistical format. After all, isn't this whole bloody affair just another version of Dr. Calhoun's famous rat expertment?
quote:
In a 40-year career, mostly at the National Institute of Mental Health, Dr. Calhoun demonstrated that as population density increased, social behavior degenerated.
Among other findings, he developed the concept of universal autism -- in which all members of the last generation of mice in an increasingly crowded environment are incapable of the social behavior that would allow them to produce the next generation. And he described a phenomenon in which some mice become "beautiful ones," maintaining their physical appearance, but doing little else, as the population swells.
It's nice to be one of the "beautiful ones."
”HM

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