Insect Wing Evolution

Actually, the creationists may be on firm ground here.Every time a 'missing link' is discovered, it creates two new missing links. One before the new discovery and one after. Theoretically, as the number of 'missing links' or should one say 'transitional fossils' approaches infinity, the number of new gaps, and therefore according to the principles of ID, new gods, approaches twice infinity.Or is it one god and Zeno of Elea is the prophet? All this sophistry gives me a headache.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

It wasn't meant to add weight to any other model; it was simply to show some "holes" in the Evolutionary model. I'm only familiar with YEC models, and I know they do provide one. I am guessing you do not believe it is valid, because it is not in the context of evolution?Edited by BattleAxeDime, : No reason given.

Galatians 6:7 "Do not be decieved: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows".I'm sorry I am getting off topic, but I had to show you God's reply to your sarcasm. Why doesn't this make you concerned?

You should read that verse in context. It's not talking about sarcasm. But you're right -- it's not the topic of this thread.

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If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe

As soon as I mention "missing link" everybody starts jumpin all over the place. Is it because you hear that term to often? A Creationist "Buzz Word"?I will explain what I meant by "missing link". There is not enough information in the fossil record to make an educated guess as to the marcroevolutionary development in this particular morphology. Therefore multiple theories will develop. What I would like to recieve is more information about these theories particularly those pertaining to the Neopterous stock, and during this process I am giving my own thoughts and ideas. Which I thought was the purpose of this forum.

I have read that verse in context. That verse also applies to spiritual mockery; reaping what you have sown. You have spent your life mocking God; then you must not expect God's grace. Reading a verse in context is only a small portion of reading and understand Biblical doctrine; the whole Bible must be taken together as a whole with respect to the historical backdrop, and to whom and what persons the message was intended for. Especially an Epistle like Galatians.Again I have talked off topic, but I will not have doctrine go uncontested.

I have read that verse in context. That verse also applies to spiritual mockery; reaping what you have sown. You have spent your life mocking God; then you must not expect God's grace. Reading a verse in context is only a small portion of reading and understand Biblical doctrine; the whole Bible must be taken together as a whole with respect to the historical backdrop, and to whom and what persons the message was intended for. Especially an Epistle like Galatians.Again I have talked off topic. Forgive me.

Man, not even a page into the debate and already quoting Scripture. Sure, but does it explain any of the things we observe to be true of the natural world, or is it just a repackaged and over-marketed version of Stone Age mysticism and fairy tale?Jon

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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!

Like I said you need to browse through the tree a bit. The Neoptera are right there on the Pterygota page, just click on the hyperlink and it will give you a tree containing the plecoptera and endopterygota. The way the site is structured unfortunately it won't display a larger tree encompassing several levels.TTFN,WK

I find that hard to believe. I don't think there is a YEC model despite what you claim.If there is, would you be willing to show us how the YEC model explains what is seen even as well (I won't ask for better) than the conventional models? No one else ever has.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

You might be right, but I was simply saying that creationism has a model regardless if it makes any sense to you.Forgive me, but I will like stay on topic for now on.

OH! you're right it's a link. Thanks. I check it out.

It's model is demonstrated by it's very definition. In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. The Fossil record isn't regarded as true to a YEC, and that is how they deal with this problem.

Which of course tells us nothing and is totally worthless and of no value what so ever. Which is also irrelevant and of no value what so ever, nor does it tell us anything.If Young Earth Creationism is ever to be considered as something more than just a bad joke, they will have to present models that explain what is seen at least as well as the current models. Until then there is little to be done but laugh at YECs.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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Evolutionists should be more concerned about this than the missing link between ape and man.

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This missing link was filled when we had the sequences of human and chimp genome. Studying the rate of neutral evolution between the two species we are able to estimate the time of divergence of the lineages and the effect positive selection had on the divergence.