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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
spitze writes: The missing link is a myth, or at least a twisted form of the truth. Notice how many times "the missing link" has been found. This is because every time scientists find a the bones of something close to a modern human there is still a gap between that and homo sapien and hence a "missing link" Actually, the creationists may be on firm ground here. Every time a 'missing link' is discovered, it creates two new missing links. One before the new discovery and one after. Theoretically, as the number of 'missing links' or should one say 'transitional fossils' approaches infinity, the number of new gaps, and therefore according to the principles of ID, new gods, approaches twice infinity. Or is it one god and Zeno of Elea is the prophet? All this sophistry gives me a headache. Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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BattleAxeDime Junior Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Problems such as you mention add no weight to any other possible model It wasn't meant to add weight to any other model; it was simply to show some "holes" in the Evolutionary model.
so far Creationists have never been able to offer any model. I'm only familiar with YEC models, and I know they do provide one. I am guessing you do not believe it is valid, because it is not in the context of evolution? Edited by BattleAxeDime, : No reason given.
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BattleAxeDime Junior Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Gee, you could fit a God ina gap that big! Galatians 6:7 "Do not be decieved: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows". I'm sorry I am getting off topic, but I had to show you God's reply to your sarcasm.
Sure, we're sweating bullets Why doesn't this make you concerned?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be decieved: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows". I'm sorry I am getting off topic, but I had to show you God's reply to your sarcasm. You should read that verse in context. It's not talking about sarcasm. But you're right -- it's not the topic of this thread. If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe
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BattleAxeDime Junior Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
As soon as I mention "missing link" everybody starts jumpin all over the place. Is it because you hear that term to often? A Creationist "Buzz Word"?
I will explain what I meant by "missing link". There is not enough information in the fossil record to make an educated guess as to the marcroevolutionary development in this particular morphology. Therefore multiple theories will develop. What I would like to recieve is more information about these theories particularly those pertaining to the Neopterous stock, and during this process I am giving my own thoughts and ideas. Which I thought was the purpose of this forum.
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BattleAxeDime Junior Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
You should read that verse in context. It's not talking about sarcasm I have read that verse in context. That verse also applies to spiritual mockery; reaping what you have sown. You have spent your life mocking God; then you must not expect God's grace. Reading a verse in context is only a small portion of reading and understand Biblical doctrine; the whole Bible must be taken together as a whole with respect to the historical backdrop, and to whom and what persons the message was intended for. Especially an Epistle like Galatians. Again I have talked off topic, but I will not have doctrine go uncontested.
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BattleAxeDime Junior Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
You should read that verse in context. It's not talking about sarcasm I have read that verse in context. That verse also applies to spiritual mockery; reaping what you have sown. You have spent your life mocking God; then you must not expect God's grace. Reading a verse in context is only a small portion of reading and understand Biblical doctrine; the whole Bible must be taken together as a whole with respect to the historical backdrop, and to whom and what persons the message was intended for. Especially an Epistle like Galatians. Again I have talked off topic. Forgive me.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be decieved: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows". I'm sorry I am getting off topic, but I had to show you God's reply to your sarcasm.
Man, not even a page into the debate and already quoting Scripture.
I'm only familiar with YEC models, and I know they do provide one. Sure, but does it explain any of the things we observe to be true of the natural world, or is it just a repackaged and over-marketed version of Stone Age mysticism and fairy tale? Jon Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Like I said you need to browse through the tree a bit. The Neoptera are right there on the Pterygota page, just click on the hyperlink and it will give you a tree containing the plecoptera and endopterygota. The way the site is structured unfortunately it won't display a larger tree encompassing several levels.
TTFN, WK
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm only familiar with YEC models, and I know they do provide one. I am guessing you do not believe it is valid, because it is not in the context of evolution? I find that hard to believe. I don't think there is a YEC model despite what you claim. If there is, would you be willing to show us how the YEC model explains what is seen even as well (I won't ask for better) than the conventional models? No one else ever has. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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BattleAxeDime Junior Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Sure, but does it explain any of the things we observe to be true of the natural world, or is it just a repackaged and over-marketed version of Stone Age mysticism and fairy tale? You might be right, but I was simply saying that creationism has a model regardless if it makes any sense to you. Forgive me, but I will like stay on topic for now on.
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BattleAxeDime Junior Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
OH! you're right it's a link. Thanks. I check it out.
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BattleAxeDime Junior Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
It's model is demonstrated by it's very definition. In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. The Fossil record isn't regarded as true to a YEC, and that is how they deal with this problem.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's model is demonstrated by it's very definition. In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. Which of course tells us nothing and is totally worthless and of no value what so ever.
The Fossil record isn't regarded as true to a YEC, and that is how they deal with this problem. Which is also irrelevant and of no value what so ever, nor does it tell us anything. If Young Earth Creationism is ever to be considered as something more than just a bad joke, they will have to present models that explain what is seen at least as well as the current models. Until then there is little to be done but laugh at YECs. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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mobioevo Member (Idle past 5975 days) Posts: 34 From: Texas Joined: |
quote: This missing link was filled when we had the sequences of human and chimp genome. Studying the rate of neutral evolution between the two species we are able to estimate the time of divergence of the lineages and the effect positive selection had on the divergence.
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