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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi subbie,
My question is, if you believe in a seven day creation a few thousand years ago, why don't you cut off your hands when you use them in sinning? What if you don't believe in a seven day creation a few thousand years ago? Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
subbie writes: The book of Matthew also contains the passage: "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell." Matt 5:30 (KJV) And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Just to set the record straight for KJV users. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Taz,
correct me if I'm wrong, Ok you are definitely wrong. I am not Young Earth. I am not old Earth as most gapers. I am super old earth and universe. I have stated in past posts that I believe in the Bible account given in Genesis 1:1 with no other verses needed. Yes I am a true believer. Would I cut my hand off? If it would keep me out of heaven yes. But it will not and can not the only thing that can do that is not receiving Jesus Christ as my personal Saviour. Was this guy crazy? Probably, But not neseceraly. He could have been a religious fanitic misguided by some kook. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi sidelined,
So a religious fanatic misguided by some kook should be considered sane? Hadn't really thought of it in those terms but after further review, yes he could be sane. You see I would consider myself a religious fanitic and I think I am quite sane. I know a lot of you would disagree with me.My God comes first, My Church comes second, My wife comes third, My children come fourth. I don't count. I have spent most of what I have made in my lifetime helping others. I enjoy helping others to the point at 68 I am still working so I can help. So as I think about it most would say I am insane. But I have enjoyed every minute of my life, I just wish I had been able to do more. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi subbie,
ICANT writes: Would I cut my hand off? If it would keep me out of heaven yes. But it will not and can not the only thing that can do that is not receiving Jesus Christ as my personal Saviour,. So Matthew was wrong? Why do you draw that conclusion? It seems like the english language around here is a foreign language. Matthew said:
Matt 5:30 (KJV) And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee. Who does the hand offend? You. It doesn't say anything about it offending God. Matthew said it would be profitable (better) to lose a hand here than to go into hell with a complete body. subbie, If I remember correctly you don't believe in hell so I can understand you not getting what Matthew said. But think about what has been said about that place, if it did exist would it be better to go there with a whole body or live in this world minus a body part. If I read you correctly you are saying Matthew said, If your hand sins cut it off because you can't go to heaven with it. Correct me if I am wrong. I told you the only thing that would keep me out of heaven in the above quote which I have bolded and underlined. Here is the Bible passage that so states:
John 3:18 (KJS) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Saved= He that believeth is not condemned.Unsaved= He that believeth not is condemned already. Reason= Because he has not believed. It says nothing about a man being good or bad. Or anything else we might come up with. God's plan is simple but man has a complicated plan. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi subbie,
I don't need your snotty language, fella. I guarantee that my English skills are better than yours. I would have no doubt that your English skills are better than mine I have been butchering the Kings English for some 67+ years. But the simple words and phrases I can understand perfectly.
My question then becomes, which one do you believe? I believe both. Matthew said it would be profitable for me to cut off my hand if it offended me and go into heaven without it than to go into hell with it. Sounds like a fair deal to me. John said the reason mankind is condemned is because they have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. That sounds like a good deal also all I have to do is believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God and I will not be condemned.
You rely on this language: Not really I prefer the Greek but the KJV comes close. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi subbie,
I guess you don't place much value in internal consistency. To me both statements are true and consistent. Sorry you disagree but hey that is life. You know everyone is entitled to have an opinion and guess what everybody does. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
HI Heinrik,
Heinrik writes: Don't they mean exactly the same or can they only understand one version? Sin = "Sin is a term used mainly in a religious context to describe an act that violates a moral rule, or the state of having committed such a violation. Commonly, the moral code of conduct is decreed by a divine entity" Sin - Wikipedia Offend = "to cause difficulty, discomfort, or injury". Unless you are God then it would be. Offend = "to transgress the moral or divine law" Matthew did not say anything about the hand offending God.He did say if it offends you. The article from the paper:
The book of Matthew also contains the passage: "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell." AOL - News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines - AOL.com The article is quoting Matthew 5:30 I am stating in my message Message 7 that if it is quoting a Bible it is not the King James Version. The author should have designated which Bible he was referring too. But the way it is put he is inferring God said if your right hand cause you to sin cut it off. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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