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Asgara Member (Idle past 2331 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Hi all,
Surfing around the web, I came upon several sites discussing calendars. They talked about lunar reckoning rather than solar reckoning in early ages. Given the probability of the Genesis stories being oral traditions long before being written down, what are the opinions of those here on the forums concerning the early biblical characters' ages being based on a lunar format. Taking 12.37 lunar cycles for ever solar cycle, this would put most absurd biblical ages well within, at least modern, human age spans. Adam 930 = 75, Seth 912 = 73, Methusala 969 = 78, and Noah 950 = 76. If these original stories came from times pre-dating advanced astronomy, wouldn't it be logical for early man to "date" things by a lunar cycle rather than a solar one? As these stories get passed down in an oral tradition, it could be simple mistranslations of the cycle used to create the grossly excessive life spans of early biblical characters. This seems pretty logical to me. Much more logical than some of the literalist posters here, contorting biblical stories and verse to explain the great ages as proof of a "terrarium atmosphere" and perfection in the gene pool. (Of course, this plays havoc with Bishop Ussher's calculations) Anyway, this is just something that seemed interesting in the wee hours this morning, and I was wondering when astronomy/astrology became well known in the area. These stories would have had to pre-date any Babylonian or Greek astronomical advances by quite a bit. http://thor.idx.com.au/evolve/oldestman.htmhttp://evolutionofgenesis.homestead.com/Ages.html http://www.flood-myth.com/ages.htm sorry if this doesn't make any sense, I pulled an all-nighter last night and am slightly buggy right now ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I believe doctrbill has recently covered this. I checked his most recent messages list, but was unable to find the message. Perhaps it was someone else.
Anyhow, I believe the content of this unfound message was along the lines of Asgara's message. The added detail was that the zero point for the ages was that of puberty. This solved the problem of the person having had children at an improbable early age. Still, the matter does deserve its own topic. Moose
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2331 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Hi Moose,
Thanks, I'd appreciate the link if you find it. On this same topic....Doctrbill, is this your site?http://www.sun-day-school.us/index.html Whether it is or isn't, its very interesting. ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Of course, this causes a problem for making the universe even younger than the YEC's claim. Remember, there is a geneology from Adam to Noah and from Noah to Abraham. There's only about 1300 years from the flood to the founding of Solomon's Temple and another 1500 years from the creation to the flood. If they're using a lunar calendar, this puts creation at about 1200 BCE and we know that the earth is older than that...the Great Pyramid dates to the 26th century BCE.
------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2331 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Hi Rrh,
I guess that's just one more reason not to take the biblical stories as literal.
this puts creation at about 1200 BCE and we know that the earth is older than that...the Great Pyramid dates to the 26th century BCE And the Yangshao Culture in China presumably goes back even further, dating upwards of 5000-7000 years ago. Modern archeological, paleontological,and geological finds haven't stopped YEC yet. Why let facts get in the way of a perfectly good mindset ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote:Yes it is mine, and - Thank you very much. I'm glad you like it. The page in question is this one - http://www.sun-day-school.us/many_moons.htm - You would think that New Testament authors would have commented on the phenomenal ages of their ancestors and drawn some sort of moral lesson like Christians do today, but they are silent on the subject. IMO, they understood the truth of what we are now learning. Perhaps because I was raised Seventh-day Adventist I am especially interested in the seventh day - http://www.sun-day-school.us/shabbat.htm - and why it became so important that a death penalty was prescribed for anyone who worked on that day. http://www.sun-day-school.us/penalty.htm I hope everyone in the forum will give this site a glance. As any of you webmasters can testify, such a project takes up Way Too Much Time. db
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2331 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
DoctrB,
Mind if I link to your site from mine? ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1017 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
I looked at your site and I thought it was really well done. Not to mention extremely interesting. I had never heard that about using lunar rather than solar cycles.
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote:Sounds like a cool idea. Please post the address of your site here so I can see it, and perhaps link to it from mine. OK? Or, you could modify your profile to list it as your homepage; that way everyone who checks out your profile can see it.Cheap advertizing! db [This message has been edited by doctrbill, 07-16-2003]
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: Hi Rox, Thanks for the comment. As far as I know, I arrived at it independently. It was a pretty amazing discovery to me at the time, but now it seems almost too obvious to be overlooked by a serious seeker. There must have been someone somewhere who noticed it before I did. This is (briefly) how it happened for me. About thirty-five years ago, one of my professors of religion, while making a case for the uniqueness of the seventh-day Sabbath had said, "There is nothing in nature which exhibits a seven day cycle." i.e. The Sabbath is not based on anything in the natural world. I was young at the time and naive regarding the lunar calendar. Then, about thirty years later, I realized he was wrong. Not long after introducing the subject in another Yahoo! debate forum a few years back, I was surprised to see an article appear in Watchtower magazine, shortly thereafter, criticizing the theory. It was especially amazing since I'd never heard of it before proposing it, and had just released my argument in a public forum. The Jehovah's Witness' criticism made no mention of the cultural factor - whereby children become members of the Jewish community at age 13. Without inclusion of this factor, of course, the theory does not work. db ------------------"If God created Nature, then the Law of Nature is the Law of God."
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
doctrbill writes: There must have been someone somewhere who noticed it before I did. I don't know if you're the first, but you're not the only. Check out this message from about a year and half ago. Unforunately there's insufficient information for finding the original source. --Percy
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1017 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
Could that have been doctrbill on Yahoo!?
[This message has been edited by roxrkool, 07-16-2003]
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Sounds like me, although I may have been going by another alias (canonyz) at the time. Perhaps I can track it down in the archives.
BTW, I've had to revise the age at which children become members of Jewish society. When I first aired my thoughts, I was going from memory (a faulty one?). I now have both biblical and modern Jewish evidence which indicates that the age is 13 years, not the twelve which I had previously stated. This change actually lends increased credibility to the theory. The theory is further enhanced by understanding that thirteen is, in Jewish culture, the age of majority. Witness this excerpt from: Just a moment...
quote:The boy is now legally a man.
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: I believe that was me but when I searched the archives at the old club, I couldn't access anything in the ballpark of the timeframe. To this day, however, I have not seen, nor hear of, anyone else promoting this theory.Could it be that I have, for once in my life, done something original? db ------------------"If God created Nature, then the Law of Nature is the Law of God."
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
An additional bit of Jewish lore which indicates just how serious they are about what it means to turn thirteen in their society:
quote:Excerpted from - Just a moment... db ------------------"If God created Nature, then the Law of Nature is the Law of God."
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