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Was Jesus a Creationist?

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seekingthetruth
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04-23-2008 12:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by johndcal
05-13-2003 2:49 AM

There are no specific examples that Jesus himself spoke about creation or the flood. However, there are numerous scriptues that state Jesus was the creator of the heavens and the earth i.e. Colossians 1:16-17, Psalm 33:6,9, John 1:1-3. From these scriptures it is clear Jesus was the creator of the the earth, and all forms of life therein.
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seekingthetruth
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04-23-2008 1:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 4 by dwise1
04-23-2008 1:12 PM

In the bible God and Jesus are the same. God is actually three people, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. If you look at all of the scriptures I listed you will see what I mean. The Bible talks of God and Jesus in the same way.
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04-24-2008 11:52 AM 		Reply to: Message 8 by dwise1
04-23-2008 2:50 PM

dwise writes:
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It is only by your applying your theology that you are able to interpret those verses (and any other reference to YHWH in the Bible) as actually referring to Jesus.
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Actually this is not "my" interpretation alone. Thousands of biblical scholars over the past few thousand years share the same interpretation. Most major christian denominations also share the same interpretation.
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If you choose not to belive this, that is you right. Your belief or disbelief has no bearing on whether or not it is true.
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Edited by seekingthetruth, : fixing quote
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04-25-2008 10:25 AM 		Reply to: Message 10 by dwise1
04-24-2008 8:37 PM

dwise1 writes:
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And exactly where did I ever say that it was your interpretation alone? I said no such thing and I tried to take care to ensure that I had not implied such a thing.
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dwise1 in message 8 writes:
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It is only by your applying your theology that you are able to interpret those verses (and any other reference to YHWH in the Bible) as actually referring to Jesus.
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Does this answer your question?
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It is apparent from the rest of your post there is nothing I can say that will change your mind. I suggest we agree to disagree on this point.
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04-25-2008 12:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 12 by dwise1
04-25-2008 11:51 AM

dwise1 writes:
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Are you now trying to claim that you were applying a theology which you do not at all believe in? What kind of nonsense are you trying to foist off on us there?
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huh? Where did you get that idea?
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wise1 writes:
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Your actions indicate that your name makes yet another false claim. If you are really seeking the truth, shouldn't you at least try to adhere to the truth? Making false claims and then tossing out red herrings to draw attention away from your false claims is moving in the opposite direction
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How is attacking my screenname at all relevant to this thread? Please refrain from such obvious personal attacks in your future responses.
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dwise1 writes:
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Your subsequent false accusation is nothing but a red herring, an attempt to draw attention away from your having made a false claim.
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Are you serious? Look at the words you used and I think if in my position you would have come to the same conclusion.
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dwise1 writes:
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it would not at all affect the simple and obvious fact that your claim about what those verses state was completely and utterly false.
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If you were to take a serious look at the scriptures I gave, and applied them with the other scriptures that point to Jesus divinity, you would see that you are the one using a red herring. The following scriptures all point to jesus divinity, and that he is the creator.
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Isaiah 7:14
Isaiah 9:6
Danial 7:13,14
Matthew 1:23
Mark 14:62
Matthew 2:11
Matthew 14:32,33
John 8:58,59
John 10:30-33
John 20:27-29
Matthew 28:16,17
Colossians 1:15,16
Colossians 2:9
Revelation 5:13,14
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seekingthetruth
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04-25-2008 1:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 14 by New Cat's Eye
04-25-2008 12:46 PM

Catholic Scientist writes:
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My theology is Catholicism. If someone refers to Catholicism as "my theology", that doesn't mean that there aren't any other Catholics.
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Similarly, when dwise1 refers to "your theology", he is referring to the theology that you and everyone else that has the same theology subscribes too.
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This whole my theology, your theology thing has gotten well out of hand. I suggest we all get back on the topic at hand.
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Catholic Scientist writes:
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Nope. You said that the scriptures stated that Jesus was the creator. However, those scriptures don't state that... You are interpreting them to mean that.
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Jesus name does not need to be used specifically for a scripture to be talking about him. If you look at all of the scriptures you will see that they all reference HIM.
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