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jjsemsch
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Message 23 of 50 (468207)
05-28-2008 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by johndcal
05-13-2003 2:49 AM


Jesus and Creation
Col 1:16
“For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.”
This verse doesn’t specifically say Jesus, but Paul is talking about Jesus here. Earlier in the chapter he refers to Jesus as Lord and later in the chapter in verse 20 he says, “by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.” Could Paul possibly be talking about anyone but Jesus?
Also in John 1:1-5
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.”
Later in John 1:14
“The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
Jesus is the Word made flesh. From that is it unreasonable to say Jesus was the Creator?
Then as far as Jesus being a creationist: Mark 10:6
“Jesus replied, “But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.”
In Matthew 24:37-38 and Luke 17:26-27 Jesus speaking says.
“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark.”
Is it not reasonable to say that from these passages it is clear Jesus believed the book of Genesis to be literal history?

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jjsemsch
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Message 30 of 50 (469169)
06-04-2008 10:18 AM
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06-03-2008 10:20 PM


Re: Jesus and Creation
The topic of the thread is "Was Jesus a Creationist?" If we can't discuss this topic using the Bible what do you propose we use?

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jjsemsch
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Message 33 of 50 (469237)
06-04-2008 5:20 PM
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06-04-2008 4:08 PM


Re: Jesus and Creation
So to sum up the thread:
1) If you believe the Bible is reliable, then Jesus is a creationist. (He is also the Creator)
-OR-
2) If you believe scripture has copying errors, there is no way to ever know for certain. End of discussion.
Does that pretty much sum up everything that’s been said?

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