Re-Problems With The Big Bang Theory

The Bible predicts and testifies to that fact, so what? Inflation is the earliest moments of expansion when some weird unscientific things was to have taken place. Like the mass and energy doubling a few hundred times. Creating all the things necessary to fix all the problems of the BBT.Inflation has to start with no starter.
Inflation has to stop with no brakes.Nobody talks about the problems of the BBT unless someone brings them up. When they do they get buried.You mentioned the problems of Inflation that they are known and may be fixed in the future. That is possible.But the BBT with inflation is presented today as if it is a known fact which it is not.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I keep hearing there is mountains of evidence. I have not seen any yet that is not questioned.We have about 230 posts left, put it on the table. Could you explain where I can touch this evidence. That is what tangible means isn't it.Force I have questions that there are no answers to in science.One is where did the little pea sized universe come from?
The answer I am given is it just exists and then expands.
No reason for it existing. No reason for it to start to expand.
It just does.Where did it come from? Best answer, "We don't Know."Along come Inflation to fix the problems.Guth says inflation starts with a smear and it doubles a few hundred times and then expands into the universe as we see it.Where did the smear come from? It just is.Then comes the scalar field. Where did it come from? We don't know we have not found one yet.I put forth questions that scientist say the BBT can not answer and is incompatible with.The only answer to those questions is Inflation.Inflation is not even to the theory stage yet. Therefore it does not answer the questions yet.Will it answer the questions eventually? Maybe, maybe not.Until then the BBT has serious problems.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

IaJ I have been through several of these discussions about the BBT here at EvC.I have been assured many times that the universe existed at T=10^-43.Since energy or mass can not be created for the universe to exist today which it does the amount of energy and mass that is in the universe had to exist in some form.If it existed in some form it had to exist somewhere.But according to the BBT there was no time space, gravity or anything outside of the universe.I am told.Everything was inside the universe.
There was no outside and no before.
It did not exist anywhere.
It is not expanding into anything.
The universe just is.
It began expanding for no reason. It just did.
We had problems with the BBT.
Inflation was a add on to fix the problems.
There was no cause for inflation it just happened.
It did not last very long.
It stopped by itself.
We just know it started and stopped.
We are here that proves it all happened like we believe it did.The only conclusion from science that I can get is that the universe does not exist and neither do we. We just think we do.But I just pinched myself and it hurt so I do exist. I walked outside the house and got wet it is raining.So the universe does exist. If it happened like I have been told here and the universe existed at T=10^-43 It had to come from somewhere. The only alternative to it coming from an absence of ANY thing (energy and mass being created ex nihilo) is there was an outside force.Or there was a huge mass of pure energy which had no beginning that created our universe.I really believe it was 3 aliens from another universe that created our universe in their universe.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Did I miss something when I was told that a theory was so well proven that just about everyboy agreed that it was true and at that point it ceased to be a hypothesis? My hypothesis is already held to higher standards at EvC. I pity you if you can not cook a PERFECT steak. You don't know what you are missing. In Message 42 I provide these quote's from ROBERT H. BRANDENBERGER Physics Department, Brown University.

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Standard cosmology cannot explain the observed isotropy of the CMB.

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The problems I will focus on here - the homogeneity, flatness and formation of structure problems are questions which have no answer within the theory and are therefore the main motivation for inflationary cosmology.

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If these problems exist the BBT is Wrong.They do exist.Unless Inflation is true these problems say the BBT could not be true.The observations do not match what the BBT requires to be true.Would you please explain how you can say the BBT is true when it does not match the observations without inflation?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Ah the ultimate free lunch.We have to start with a positive energy and a negative energy.They have to be created ex nihilo. Unless they exist somewhere.Then these two guys get in a fight and create all the mass and energy in the universe while keeping the zero energy universe.Now that is truly fantastic. And just as unbelievable. I claimed that as my own conclusion. That is the number I get from my source that you will not accept. I read somewhere that somebody said we will be able to create a universe the size of ours with 20 lbs of matter.I don't have much faith in him being successful. Because if he made it how would he get it out of our universe so it could get as big as our universe. If it remained in our universe our universe would have to get large enough to contain that universe also. That means it would never get as big as our universe.So no I don't think we will accomplish the feat of becoming a God.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Thanks for you opinion.In Message 62 I used information from Liddle. Liddle says according to the BBT predictions the universe would have recollapsed or expanded so rapidly nothing would exist on it.So how do you justify your statement inflation is not needed.Is Liddle wrong? I call them questions LIDDLE and BRANDENBERGER call them PROBLEMS.They then show how the BBT as proposed can not be true in their descrition of the problems.If you will read Message 7 you will see cavediver agrees there is a problem and that inflation fixes it. I am a Bible thumper. The Bible is not accepted as trustworthy here. So who am I to refute the BBT?I can point out where scientist say the BBT fails to match observations. Sure I can, and have you just don't like the answer. You are correct with that statement.But the problems presented by the Scientist I quoted say the BBT does not exist without Inflation.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

The CMB data gathered by wmap says the infinite universe model does not fare as well with the data which corresponds to wide-angle temperature fluctuations as the finite universe model.http://www.math.cornell.edu/...4/geometry/finite/finite.htmlThese fluctuations are really necessary for the infinite universe model.Do you have some better information.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

The CMB had been discovered and expansion was accepted which caused the problems in the OP.Guth came up with the idea of inflation in 1981 some 15+ years after the CMB and expansion.So when did inflation become a part of the BBT?Was it before the problems?Or, Was it as a solution to the problem?Inflation is a add on to the Big Bang Theory to fix the problems listed in the OP. What is wrong with, Robert H. Brandenberger, Andrew R. Liddle.
What is wrong with Alan Guth who came up with the idea of inflation?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

In part 2 it says real, actual.
In part 3 it says definite. Which means not vague.
In part 4 it says actual physical existence.I have a real, actual, definite, physical pick up truck in my drive-way. Guess what I can observe and touch with my hands.Yep that is tangible. I don't think you can understand my fustration.I am not fustrated that there are no hard and fast answers to the problems. I can accept the fact that there are a lot of unknowns. Some of which we may never have the answers for. I enjoy studying and learning, I love reading, I love looking for answers. But if I want to find answers I must have an open mind. That is the reason I question everything.Now my fustration comes from everyone presenting the BBT as if it is perfect with no problems or flaws.I had the same problem in Seminary.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Welcome back, I don't mind being called an idiot.But if you are going to quote me please use the entire statement.My statement was that without inflation the BBT was dead.I think that is the only way I made the statement.You mentioned a couple of other posibility's that are a long way off. I read of several. my e-mail address is available if you would care to put a test together to find out what I have learned from what you have put forth in the last 15 months.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I understand the Bible to teach the universe had a beginning and that it will end in and explosion and the elements will melt with fervent heat.If I am not mistaken that is the scientific view except some think it might end in a deep freeze.But our earth should end in a ball of fire before the deep freeze gets here. I think the earths departure is scheduled for about 4 billion years.From Message 88
Why can't I be a creationist and be amazed at the phenomenal things in the universe of which some support the BBT.One of the most fascinating things I ran across was pangea. I love to watch the division of the continents.The beautiful pictures from the universe are truly spectacular. The exploding star. This is one magnificent place we have been allowed to live in.Science may be more tangible to you than faith. But not to me, my Faith comes from experience. (I will leave it at that)God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Could you please explain? Duh we were talking about standing on the surface of the universe if I remember correctly.Since there is an absence of ANY THING outside of the universe why would it be stupid to say you would see NO THING if you were standing on the surface of the universe and looked up.The only thing stupid about it is you could never stand on the surface of the universe in the first place. We are locked in and can't get out. I think that was my point.Now did you not explain to me how that the universe was self contained and that everything was inside the universe and there was no thing outside the universe?

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

As I understand it the Andromeda-Milky Way collision is to take place in 5 billion years.The earth will be uninhabitable several billion years prior to that time due to our sun's burning up phase.The two I was refering too was that the universe will end in a big crunch or all energy will be expended and it become a deep freeze. So far my Bible and True Science agree. Evolutionist disagree with my assement and that is OK. They say it is because I don't know what Science says and I say it is because they don't know what the Bible says. Stalemate.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Your link is incorrect.The Message 15 you was refering to where you said: You gave the density problem of the BBT in your first sentence."The density problem has a tendency to make a universe either immediately collapse or so tenuous that nothing ever forms. "The BBT predicts exactly that. It did so for some 50 years.Inflation solved that problem in 1981. But inflation has not even reached the theory stage yet. How does it solve anything? I got a lot of notions they don't solve anything.But if you take away inflation the BBT is a bust.That alone would falsify any other theory.So would you like to discuss the problems with the BBT.You could start with Message 62 and refute what Brandenberger, and Liddle had to say about the flatness problem (density), The horizon problem, the formation of structure problem, and the monopole problem.Or,Work on that TV set?Op's I forgot you already glossed over the density problem as though it did not exist with the BBT.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

In 5 billion years the earth will not exist.It will be uninhabitale a long time before that.A quote just for you. The final curtain | Astronomy | The GuardianSorry IaJ If I was getting my information from the Bible the time would be a lot shorter.My information comes from the scientific knowledge that the sun is going to burn out and before it does it is going to enlarge to the point the water on earth will evaporate and then the sun will swallow the earth.There are those who think maybe in about 2 billion years more or less man will get smart enough to direct an astroid at the planet earth and knock it out of it orbit of the sun and be able to survive.But what happens if it survives and the sun disappears then what?
Plants would have a hard time growing that would make oxygen scarce etc....God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."