On the causes of sexual orientation

You're wrong right from the start.

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WHEREAS: Heterosexual orientation is the undisputable cause of human babies and every other kind of baby you could possibly think of, with the only exceptions being binary fission, parthenogenesis, and cloning.

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I dare say that never in the history of mankind has a baby ever been created by someone's sexual orientation. Babies are created by the joining of a sperm and an egg, followed by several months of development in a woman's womb. That's how each and every one has ever come about, at least up to now.Please note that nowhere in that process is the issue of sexual orientation a factor.I must say, your continued assault on other people's sexuality is rather amusing, and a little embarrassing. I for one would appreciate it if you'd give it up.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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btw: I already know what causes heterosexual orientation, and without it no pecking penis will ever find its proper place where babies are made.

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Well why don't you run out and publish your findings. I'd be willing to bet that there's a Nobel Prize out there for the first person to provide a conclusive explanation for that one.On the other hand, you seem to think that sexual intercourse is the only way to conceive a child. Your ignorance in that area strongly suggests that your professed knowledge of what causes heterosexual orientation might not be quite as certain as you claim.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

From Message 23:

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Taz writes:

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It helps to think of this in terms of computer programming. Some programs may behave slightly different than what the programmer intended. Most of the time, it's not because of a single line of code but rather a combination codes that could form unexpected protocols or subroutines.

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Hoot Mon writes:

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I like the metaphor. And I suppose you're right. But whatever it is that causes homosexuality is still unknown to science, as I have argued before.

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From Message 24:

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subbie writes:

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On the other hand, you seem to think that sexual intercourse is the only way to conceive a child. Your ignorance in that area strongly suggests that your professed knowledge of what causes heterosexual orientation might not be quite as certain as you claim.

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Hoot Mon writes:

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I am certain I know what caused my heterosexuality. I can't speak for women and their heterosexuality, but I can say for sure that I got it from my Y chromosome. If another man has a Y chromosome, just as I do, then I don't know why he prefers to have sex with men instead of women. It is up to him to explain why this is NOT an aberration of the normal male condition, and also to explain why it deserves access to heterosexual institutions.

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How you can even imagine that you know what causes your heterosexuality and at the same time deny knowledge of what causes homosexuality is an enigma. The very fact that some men with a Y chromosome are homosexual would at least suggest to any intelligent person that the mere presence of a Y chromosome isn't enough to guarantee heterosexuality. Combine that with the fact that women lack a Y chromosome but most of them are heterosexual, and it seems virtually impossible that heterosexuality is caused by the presence of a Y chromosome.At least I can say one thing for you, HM; you continue to amuse.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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So I am curious how those who proclaim "homosexuality is a choice" can explain exactly how this particular guppy 'chose' to be gay?

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Hmph.The whole story sounds fishy to me.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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How, in terms of NS, do 'gay genes' work? Do they work in favor of NS? Or do they work for the stasis of a population?

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This is an unanswerable question as framed.Whether any characteristic is favored or disfavored during the process of natural selection depends on the environment. I have no doubt whatsoever that someone could define an environment in which "gay genes" are an advantage and could also define an environment in which "gay genes" are a disadvantage.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat