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LudoRephaim
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Message 39 of 61 (480464)
09-03-2008 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Fosdick
08-27-2008 12:30 PM


????????
What would the world be like without religion?
The answer rests upon whether atheism can be legitimatly called a religion. If so, then you might have a world of agnostics. If the latter is also a religion, then such a world seems impossible, like a two horned unicorn or a meat-eating vegetarian. Are atheism and agnosticism religious views, or are they just "Philosophies" (and when does philosophy end and religion begin? Are philosophy and religion the same or different? Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Confucianism (spelled right?) all have some philosophy, and they are not the only religions that do. Before you can manage to create your imaginable world, these must be settled.
Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 46 of 61 (480662)
09-05-2008 1:34 PM
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09-03-2008 7:11 PM


Re: ????????
Why would you want to call atheism a religion?
Good question. Atheism, like other "religions" is a world view. It is a system of beliefs (No God, no afterlife (all atheists believe in no form of afterlife???), no higher divine authority, only higher natural authority (human thought/Science/TV/Philosophy/Dr Phil? etc)which include a small but significant aspect on the supernatural (no God or anything supernatural exists. Just human imagination)and a set of morality relative to the individual atheist (Murphy's Law/Dont harm anybody/never vote republican/ etc?). You could theoretically call atheism a religion, a religious belief hat there is no God (a belief never proven nor disproven by scientific evidence, a priori belief).
Of course this is a bigger question than this particular blog can answer (what is the thin line between philosophy and religion (Neoplatonism/Christianity?), are all belief systems equal and in one way or another religious, why is atheism and "non-religions" put alongside eery other religion in books talking about religion, etc.
Some of these can be answered, but the whole is one gigantic philosophical question. Perhaps a new forum on this would be useful. I personally cannot promise to be on it or this for long periods of time, but i will try to write when i can. I hope you and others can talk about it on here a lot.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 47 of 61 (480664)
09-05-2008 1:43 PM
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09-03-2008 7:11 PM


Vacuum of space, space,space,space
We or others can also talk about if atheism is or is not a religion, why it has its own sort of faith (faith that atheists are right; that there is no God), and its own apologists (Richard Dawkins, and what was it; Reason Reaction Squad? Reason response Squad? They had a littl daliance with Kirk Cameron and Greg Comfort on Nightline about the question of God. I recommend watching it if you can find it on Youtube or something.)

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LudoRephaim
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Message 51 of 61 (480679)
09-05-2008 3:17 PM
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09-05-2008 2:07 PM


bio-lafter-life
There is no "afterlife" in any biological context
I dont think anybody would disagree, save for maybe Wiccans (dont quote me on that; they just dont believe in "supernatural" as most religions do, so their version of an afterlife is probably a bit different. We would have to ask one to see). But in terms of biology/biological science no.
And since i dont own a soul...
I know...You sold it to me for that Corvette...whhohohohohohohhahahahahahahahahahaah(cough Cough!)
sorry, just having fun.
Mark twain's death has been greatly exaggerated ever since he died.
What do you mean?

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LudoRephaim
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Message 52 of 61 (480686)
09-05-2008 3:27 PM
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09-05-2008 2:23 PM


Commie Gommie
And banning religion was not felt so bad at all, as some of you make it out to be.
Of course; many people in the former soviet bloc/soviet Union didn't mind banning religion; probably due to corruption in the Orthodox church at the time (same thing happened in France, which helped stir anger against the King and Church in their revolutionary period.)
I do sincerely doubt that everyone was okay with it in Bulgaria and surrounding Communist nations though. I certainly would hate to be thrown in a Gulag because i'm a baptist, and i doubt anyone else religious in some form would want to be persecuted by the Government because of their religious nature. Where gulags in Bulgaria during the soviet era?

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LudoRephaim
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Message 54 of 61 (480690)
09-05-2008 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by bluegenes
09-05-2008 2:27 PM


Fairies
That condition is no more a religion than a lack of belief in fairies is a religion.
Good point, but were fairies ever worshipped as deities before Christianity arrived?
Atheists like me do not clai to know that there are no gods, just as you cannot claim to know there are no fairies.
Actually fairies may have some basis in reality, perhaps the supernatural. I remember a book stating the similarities between UFO abductions and fairie abductions of old. And fairies can be interpreted by differet faiths in different ways (Islam; angels or Jinns. Christianity; Angels or demons. Greek Mythos; Dryads. and so on).
I dont know 100% sure that Fairies did or did not exist. They might not have, or there may have been a legit source to the legend. maybe they were to ancient folk what aliens are to us today. Some say that all legends are based on fact.
BTW: I thought Buddha wasin a sense the "God" of Buddhism? There are Buddhists in Tibet who worship many gods yet still cling to Buddha as well.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 56 of 61 (480696)
09-05-2008 3:48 PM
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09-05-2008 3:38 PM


Red Lace
Its just that if you were religious, you didn't get the same oppritunities to make a career. You wouldn't be able to be a member of the party and get additional benefits.
Very interesting. It reminds me of something similar in the book 1984 by George Orwell; members of the party were not allowed to be religious (among other things), but the "proles" could have religion if they wanted it (though the book hints that people didn'tcare much to have it anymore. it didn't rule out the possibility of faith though). So the Government was shtty to religious people, but not THAT shtty. Very interesting.
But people were not secretly preaching religion either,
Also very interesting. Although there were maverick relgious people in the former Soviet Union (and some in China who run undergroud churches), i never knew that nations like Bulgaria were that different. I'm glad to actually talk with someone who lived through that era; such a facinating take on history.
Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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