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Author Topic:   Cow's milk - why do you keep sipping the poison?
kuresu
Member (Idle past 2544 days)
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From: boulder, colorado
Joined: 03-24-2006


Message 73 of 84 (481376)
09-10-2008 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by michael0156
09-10-2008 4:51 PM


Re: Look before you leap
see, here's the problem. I've been drinking milk for twenty (almost twenty-one) years. I used to down anywhere from a gallon to two gallons a month. If I had the money, I would be drinking more than a gallon per month.
Not only do I consume milk, I consume multiple cheeses, butter, yogurt, whipped cream, but I avidly avoid filmjolk.
I've never had a broken bone. No cavities (and that's with a diet high in sugar and not enough brushing). I don't have cancer. I hardly ever get sick (except for when I eat swedish mayo, oddly enough). My bmi is 22. I'm as healthy as they come (which means there's a heart attack in my future).
After drinking milk for so long shouldn't I be having some problems by now? Oh yeah, I also got vaccinated when I was young--no problems here.
If milk is such a money-maker, why does the Swedish government subsiduze milk? Why do milk companies have to launch an extensive advertising campaign to get people to drink milk? It's not like I see any commercials for cheddar cheese.
All this stuff sounds just like the BPa and teflon scare. It's all just a bunch of loons who don't know when to shut up. Quit crying wolf and save it for the real stuff--you know, about how the aliens are controlling the US government.

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kuresu
Member (Idle past 2544 days)
Posts: 2544
From: boulder, colorado
Joined: 03-24-2006


Message 79 of 84 (482714)
09-17-2008 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by michael0156
09-17-2008 11:33 AM


Re: Look before you leap
From your photo you don't look healthy
Riight. So a blustery day on top of a mountain pass, on top of not having showered for a day, means I'm unhealthy. By the way, who says that's me in the photo?
Textbook example of leaping before you look.
Why didn't you read any of the links that were in my post? Those are the arguments you should be addressing.... and please use facts, not name calling...
let's see, name calling, name calling. Oh yeah, it can't be calling poeple names if that's what they actually are.
Your first link is a disaster. It's not a link to any article, it's a link to a search on a website, it seems, that is dedicated to proving just how bad milk is. Why should I pay any attention to that? One, you don't provide an actual article. Two, the search site is clearly biased.
The second link requires an e-mail subscription. You shouldn't have to subscribe to find out this information, right? Ever hear of freedom of information?
The third link is questionable. The fact that texas lawmakers (who are in the pockets of big business anyhow) shot down the mandatory vaccination against HPV smacks more of religious bigotry. Many right wing fundies came out against the vaccine for moral reasons--women might have more sex!!!!! True, the article mentions all the problems with the vaccine, but hey, the flu vaccine can actually give you the flu. Texas shot it down for moral reasons, not for health issues or big business issues. Finally, what are you doing talking about vaccines in a thread dedicated to the "dangers of milk"? We try to stay on topic here, but you've managed to fail to do that in your first post here.
Your fourth link is similar to the first two. Poor quality. It is biased and out-of-date.
Why does the Swedish government subsidize milk? You asked that question, why not try to answer it.
That's not how debate works. I know the answer to my question, you have to answer it. Can't throw it right back at me. That's called "evasion".
Why does the industry here in the US have to put on an advertising campaign to promote milk? Another question you asked that you should try to find the answer to.
Read above. You're the one who made the claim that milk is big business. That its in cohorts with the government. You have to substantiate your claim. My question was a way to make you think about your claim. If it is big business, why such an aggressive sales campaign? A different example might help. The Toyota Prius is flying off the lots. No commercials.
Why don't you read about BPA before saying it is harmless?
I don't believe I ever said it was harmless. I compared what you and Agobot are doing to the scares in Teflon and BPa, largely unfounded and ridiculous affairs. Yes, teflon can release chemicals responsible for causing cancer. BPa can lead to health problems (for certain groups). But for both it has to be under unusual to extreme conditions which 99% of the consumer population will not encounter. By the way, I had to deal with the BPa looniness, given that I was working for REI at the time (and I can't wait to hear about how fucked up a company REI supposedly is).
But that you don't have diagnosed autism is not evidence that thimerosal is safe... Since you obviously have trouble comprehending what I have written, that could be how the preservative has affected you neurologically, affecting your reasoning ability
Now we see an insult. My reasoning ability could be affected? You belittle me? After getting all huffy over my calling quacks loons? Hmm. Hmm. Fuck you. You have now made two unsubstantiated insults against me to my none against you (the statement about loons wasn't directed towards you). The first was about my health, when you clearly can have no idea about my health. The second, about my reasoning ability. Please tell me, am I just the 9th least dumb person to graduate from my high school? Am I just one of the 4 least dumb to pass the IB biology exam? Am I just one of the least 5% dumb people in my age group? I guess my IQ (which is a direct measure of your ability to reason) of 130ish is really quite low, huh? You know nothing about me, so how about you keep those insults to yourself?
Stop the name calling and lack of substance in what you say... take the time to think and reflect and research before you open your mouth...
Wise words to follow. Too bad you've proven that you can't.
One final word:
Why didn't you read any of the links that were in my post? Those are the arguments you should be addressing
Read the forum guidelines. We don't debate by links here. We use them as references to our arguments, and so far you've largely been debating by link.

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