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Author Topic:   Cow's milk - why do you keep sipping the poison?
michael0156
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Message 72 of 84 (481372)
09-10-2008 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Rahvin
08-31-2008 6:19 AM


Look before you leap
In every case of male breast cancer high levels of estrogen are found in the blood.
Heard of the pill Estroven? It is derived from a hormone-like substance in soy, but is similar enough to human estrogen to ward off symptoms of menopause. Would you recommend a man take a pill designed to ward off symptoms of menopause? Then why would a man or adolescent male eat soy or drink milk? Read here...
http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=drinking%20milk&...
Soy formula, given to infants(!!), is the formula of last resort... because of the estrogen-like substance that is in it. Read more here... http://articles.mercola.com/...mula-under-investigation.aspx
There is no reason for a healthy individual to voluntarily take hormones, man or woman.
Regarding your conspiracy theory remarks... Who do you trust for your information? Regulatory agency heads? That would be a big mistake. I look on the internet, but I also use information at government agencies and universities to see what they have to say. After 10 years of experience poring over Independent studies, University studies, FDA, USDA and EPA documents regarding our food supply I can tell you one thing for sure. If there is substantial money involved in something that a regulatory agency is responsible for or if a University is conducting a study for industry, it's nearly certain that someone's integrity has been compromised. Money talks. The higher in government, science or education you go the bigger the stakes, the larger the money pots. Heard about the Texas governor and Gardisil? Read here... Page not found | The Institute for Southern Studies
You cannot rely on the government regulatory agencies to tell you something bad about milk because milk is a big money-maker. The industry has lobbyists who know how to bribe agency heads to get the regulations and the "facts" that they want. You also have a potentially large lawsuit liability should all the bad information about milk be supported by any agency of government or university funded study. Most University studies will similarly be influenced by funding dollars.
How do you feel about the thimerosal controversy? Do you think that is a conspiracy theory too? If your answer is "Yes." try reviewing information at; Hi p v ca mui – M’t trang web mi s dng WordPress. If your answer is "No.", then you realize that the FDA and CDC along with all the big Medical Societies chimed in on the side of mercury in vaccines being safe in the 1990s and early 2000s. But today it is no longer allowed in vaccines.
I have previously investigated milk because of the controversial things I had heard about it. After giving it up in 1999 I experienced numerous improvements in my health. Some coming within a few months of giving milk up.
To see you viciously lash out at someone reporting that milk has bad things in it shows me that you didn't look into it yourself before opening your mouth. A little investigation on your part would have enlightened you. You would have at least been made aware that intelligent well-meaning people are genuinely concerned about milk consumption. If you decided to continue consuming milk I would assume you would have equally intelligent arguments supporting that decision. Since I saw no facts on your part I have to assume you merely assumed...
You owe Agobot a BIG apology.
Michael

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michael0156
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Message 78 of 84 (482663)
09-17-2008 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by kuresu
09-10-2008 5:08 PM


Re: Look before you leap
I see, kuresu, you are another one who doesn't look or think or read before he leaps, or in this case stumbles and falls flat on his face.
From your photo you don't look healthy, but your perception of your health may be affected by the thimerosal that was in your vaccinations.
Anyone whose argument's substance is limited to calling people loons really isn't worth the time it is taking me to write this... but there may be others that read your post so I will reply for them.
In any case.... Here's some questions for you...
1. Why didn't you read any of the links that were in my post? Those are the arguments you should be addressing.... and please use facts, not name calling...
2. Why does the Swedish government subsidize milk? You asked that question, why not try to answer it.
3. Why does the industry here in the US have to put on an advertising campaign to promote milk? Another question you asked that you should try to find the answer to.
Why don't you read about BPA before saying it is harmless?
Bisphenol A - Wikipedia
That wikipedia entry is one of many many web pages on the problems with BPA. Read and learn... there are industry sponsored studies that are nothing but junk science, but you have to read and think before you can see it...
Regarding your being vaccinated and having no ill effects (I assume you are referring to thimerosal and autism)... "Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants... the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children."
Be thankful you were not the 1 in 2,500 that were obviously afficted with autism back when you were born. The odds for your children will be 1 in 166.
There are different levels of effects that mercury compounds will have on individuals, from the size of the dose (which is recommended by vaccine manufacturers, but the administrator of the drug can change by design or accident) to the amount of preserviative that is in the vaccine which will vary due to manufacturing processes. Additionally, single doses of the vaccines don't have a preservative in them. While more expensive they are much safer than vials of vaccine where a needle is used to extract it or air guns are used to inject it.
But that you don't have diagnosed autism is not evidence that thimerosal is safe... Since you obviously have trouble comprehending what I have written, that could be how the preservative has affected you neurologically, affecting your reasoning ability. There is no doubt that vaccine administration is the main cause of the EPIDEMIC of autism that has hit American children. Try reading and understanding what is in the following article... Page not found – Rolling Stone
I am offering you the opportunity to grow in knowledge... and be a better human being for it.
Stop the name calling and lack of substance in what you say... take the time to think and reflect and research before you open your mouth...
Edited by michael0156, : typo

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michael0156
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Joined: 09-10-2008


Message 81 of 84 (710240)
11-03-2013 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Rahvin
08-31-2008 6:19 AM


Try using reasoning instead & evidence instead of simply demanding evidence and making unsubstantiated claims
YOU - "I've been drinking milk my entire life, and last I checked, I wasn't turning into a girl." & "Human males naturally produce their own estrogen, you know. And females produce testosterone"
So why are we not all androgenous? Of course you know the answer. So why would a male consume estrogen in ANY quantity and what would be the consequences? Important questions to answer... here are some facts to help you.
There is a pill to ward off menopause symptoms, Estroven. It contains phyto-estrogen from soy & is ingested. Would you recommend Estroven for a man to take? How about a child?
The answer should generally be a resounding "NO!"... then why would ANYONE, other than a menopausal woman, eat ANY soy product? Or for that matter, milk... as you seem to be agreeing that there is estrogen in cow's milk. (YOU - "Do you have any evidence that the estrogen in cow milk actually causes feminization in human males?")
How much milk and/or soy a man consumes will determine the effect he experiences... but OBVIOUSLY there will be consequences, depending on the amount of estrogen consumed.
YOU - "Point to a single example where a person developed medical problems due to consumption of dairy products not related to lactose intolerance." And this gem "all I see is the same conspiracy-theorist bullshit about milk that I first saw over on Rense.com, haven of all things paranoid"
When was the last time you complained to your doctor about ANYTHING and he asked you if you were eating food that might be causing your problems (aside from lactose intolerance)?
The average person, doctor, teacher, rocket scientist or religious guru doesn't suspect anything that is considered ordinary or normal in our lives as being the cause of a medical condition, least of all food products that are considered necessary for life & health. Milk falls into this unsuspected-to-be-harmful category in most of our minds.
However mass production and profit has caused a variety of contaminants to enter our food chain, including our cherished milk. rBGH, according to industry sources, is used on 10% of our cattle & the milk from them is co-mingled with conventional cow milk. rBGH is known to affect cow immune systems requiring the use of large amounts of anti-biotics. Unfortunately they are commonly used to prevent infection rather than treat (more time on the milkiing machines = more profit). Over-use of these spectrums of antibiotics produce superbugs & introduce metabolites of these chemicals into the milk & meat.
Cattle still get mastitis, despite the ongoing multi-antibiotic barrage, further contaminating milk until the infections are discovered & the cattle taken out of milk production, IF they are taken out.
Factory farm conditions confine cattle to a stall & turn them into an extension of the milking machine, stressing the animals & further degrading their health & the quality of the milk they produce.
Their feed is not a natural balance of whole grasses and grains they would normally forage for. Included in many brands of cheap (but FDA/EPA/USDA "approved") feed is chicken manure, usually from factory farm chickens that have been fed slaughterhouse remnants, including cattle blood (unhealthy chickens deficating into the mouths of the cattle we eat of & drink from). Ahhh, Utopia!!
YOU - "Do you have any evidence that the estrogen in cow milk actually causes feminization in human males?" You answered your own question when you said - "Human males naturally produce their own estrogen, you know. And females produce testosterone"... of course you know that the quantities are very disimilar in males & females leading the French to observe "vive la diffrence" Why change the balance you already have? Do you know any males who have been diagnosed with an estrogen deficiency?
YOU - "Any evidence that milk causes breast or prostate cancer" - Really? You asked this question? And then labeled is as being "from conspiracy-theory websites" - Estrogen is not only ties to increased breat cancer it is also proved to increase metastasis (spreading beast cancer throughout the body). I'm not going to investigate your prostate cancer anti-claims as what I have already demonstrated shows YOU are the one "pulling things out of your ass" & "wearing a tinfoil hat"
Try researching and thinking before you spew... or did you know what you were posting was wrong & unsubstantiable?

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