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Author Topic:   Cow's milk - why do you keep sipping the poison?
Rahvin
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Message 24 of 84 (479942)
08-31-2008 6:19 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Agobot
08-31-2008 5:52 AM


Because i am NOT a transsexual. When and if i ever decide to change my gender from male to female, I'd gladly accept taking additional female hormones. This is a very common practice among transsexuals as evidenced on wikipedia:
"For transwomen, taking estrogens causes among other changes:
the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and
redistribution of body fat.
thinning of skin.
For male-to-female transgendered people, HRT often includes antiandrogens in addition to the estrogens and progestagens mentioned above.
HRT does not usually cause facial hair growth to be impeded; or the voice to change.
[edit] Irreversible changes
breast development,
enlarged nipples and areolae
stretch marks (for some)
[edit] Reversible changes
decreased libido,
redistribution of body fat,
reduced muscle development,
various skin changes,
significantly reduced body hair
change in body odor and sweat production,
less prominence of veins,
ocular changes,
gonadal size"
Taz, if you are now undergoing a gender change surgery, taking additional estrogen is really helpful to the cause(you are going to get boobs, body hair loss, etc.)
I've been drinking milk my entire life, and last I checked, I wasn't turning into a girl.
Seriously, Agobot. Point to a single example where a person developed medical problems due to consumption of dairy products not related to lactose intolerance. Do you have any evidence that the estrogen in cow milk actually causes feminization in human males? Any evidence that milk causes breast or prostate cancer, or any of the other things you've asserted here? Or are you just pulling all of this out of your ass, and from conspiracy-theory websites?
because all I see is the same conspiracy-theorist bullshit about milk that I first saw over on Rense.com, haven of all things paranoid.
Human males naturally produce their own estrogen, you know. And females produce testosterone. As has been mentioned previously, many of the compounds you listed occur naturally in humans already. Unless you can point to a peer-reviewed study that conclusively shows that drinking milk is hazardous, you're just wearing a tinfoil hat.
But hey, thanks for letting us all know never to take you seriously again.

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Rahvin
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Message 51 of 84 (480610)
09-04-2008 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Hyroglyphx
09-04-2008 9:34 PM


Re: Nonsense does not belong in this thread
In how many people have problems digesting dairy products.
Please, share with us the data on the rise in lactose intolerance. None of the data in this thread has suggested any such thing.
In fact, the data suggests that human populations with many generations of access to cows milk are not lactose intolerant, while populations without such access tend to be lactose intolerant.
This is indicative of an evolved human trait to be more tolerant of lactose over time, not less.

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Message 55 of 84 (480894)
09-07-2008 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Hyroglyphx
09-07-2008 11:20 AM


Re: Nonsense does not belong in this thread
Then why are so many Americans, in the hundreds of thousands, lactose intolerant? These are people around dairy all the time. That's because it is genetic and has nothing to do with anything else.
Hundreds of thousands of lactose intolerant Americans is not the same as a rise in lactose intolerance, Buzz.
The US contains a giant mix of all geological origins, meaning Europeans who are largely tolerant of lactose as well as Asians who are mostly lactose intolerant are all here, and in many cases interbreeding - of course there will be many lactose intolerant individuals.
Further, lactose tolerance/intolerance no longer has selection pressure - you aren't more or less likely to survive based on whether you can consume milk or not. It's gone from a beneficial trait to a neutral one so far as survival and reproduction is concerned.
So while we've observed that populations with easy access to dairy have a much stronger likelihood to be tolerant of lactose (indicative of a rise in tolerance over time, as I said earlier), we wouldn't expect lactose tolerance to continue to rise in first-world countries where lactose tolerance no longer means the difference between adequate vs inadequate food for survival. It should remain neutral now, affected only by the genetics of parents.
Your statement makes it sound like simply being around dairy results in lactose tolerance, through some form of osmosis. That's not how evolution works.
You claimed:
quote:
And the rise in lactose intolerance is another instance that may point to problems.
No data in this thread has suggested there has been a rise in lactose intolerance. Rather, it appears that humans are normally lactose intolerant, but that people from cultures that had easy access to dairy developed a mutation that allowed them to tolerate cow's milk, and this mutation was beneficial in times where cow's milk could be additional nutrition when food was scarce. This is indicative of a rise over time in lactose tolerance, not intolerance.
If you have data suggesting that lactose intolerance has been on the rise, please post it, because so far none of the data in this thread suggests any such thing.

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