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Topic: if other Life is Discovered wouldn't this Pose a problem?
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 1 of 107 (48418)
08-02-2003 10:14 PM
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if Other Life in the Universe is Discovered wouldn't this pose a Problem for the Bible? which seems to say the earth is the Center of the Universe. and if Intelligent Life is found(like us) wouldn't this Falsify us Being the most perfect creation? Please creationists Post!
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 7 of 107 (48677)
08-04-2003 7:18 PM
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if in fact we where accidental as you say(I like to use Probability and I believe this is the case) and there are other planets with life. that doesn't mean a creator did it. it Just means that it happened again and again. the Universe is in fact suspected to be teeming with life. the Universe is a Big place its Going to happen someplace and again another place and another place(I don't mean every solar system has life though nowhere near that at all) but if it is more common then expected it simply means life is not as rare as we think it is. that by NO means points to a creator. lets say there is a creator what is the point in planets like Jupiter ,Saturn etc...? [This message has been edited by DC85, 08-04-2003]
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 13 of 107 (48863)
08-06-2003 1:19 AM
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yes but. why do we just assume its a low probability for Life to arise? I mean it could be its so common and easy to come about that looking back we would think it was stupid for us to think other wise. I mean for all we know life can form anywhere. it might that it just so happens our solar system might be low on it(our planet is the only one to have it unless a moon has some) I mean we seem to think Life is special when it might just be a common occurrence
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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so you don't Believe in them Because it contradicts your Bible? hmmmm lets say for your sake God made the universe.... Why is it so Big if we are the only creatures in it? Was God Just bored? About it making problems for science.. how can it? The Only problem I can see maybe coming from it is the Cell theory. I mean life can be in many odd shapes and sizes and they might not be built the same as life on earth but it would not make it false It would just need to change to "life on Earth contain cells" and "life on Planet X contain bleeps or something" Also the Dinosaur on my avatar is a Spinosaurus
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 32 of 107 (53921)
09-04-2003 8:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 31 by Dr Jack
09-04-2003 7:05 AM
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yes But finding life one day would be extremely Important to things like this.
Think about it if the Universe is booming with life it might mean the life isn't some magical thing. it just happens and isn't anything amazing. I know its hard to think that way for alot people. But it could very well be true..... Now however I do have some problem with this... I think if life on Other planets is extremely similar to earth to me that would point to some kind of problem........ I mean creatures we commonly picture Space aliens as are Human looking. I doubt life would take such a similar course commonly.... I mean like the only reason we have 4 limbs is Because some ancestor long ago happened to have 4 fins....
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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mike I am FAR from as Perfect as your God However I am sure I can do a better Job at designing creatures. Knowing what I know. not that they would be 100% flawless but better then your Gods design. to answer your question if I had the power yes I could do better.
You Seem to think Because things are complex they had to have been thought of and designed. Why? (note am Not saying there isn't a God I am saying it didn't design everything)
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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sigh.. I said if I had the magical powers of Your God I know I could do better........ ALOT better. and You knew what I mean't you just think its cute to say "can you do better?" No not here but if I had the Power of your God I sure could do MUCH better. Why do things need to have been designed? Complexity is not a reason so Explain this to me
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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You KNOW you could do better, that's a bold statement, however we both know it's irellevant because it is God WITH power, and since God has intelligence beyond measure, what makes you so sure you could do a better job. Hmmm have you looked Above? If I was going to create my best and most loved Creation. I wouldn't make it so horribly made..... Some intelligence haaa. where is the brillant design? I don't see it..... if we are God's most Perfect creation God must not be very Good at making things or not as intelligent as you think.
Personally , that question doesn't make sense to me. Things are so obviously 'made' in my mind, that the possibility of 'chance' almost amuses me. why is it so obvious to you? How can you not see the poor design after what you have read above? Or are you blinded by faith? Again why does complexity Make you think that A God did it?
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Consider the Earth(and space), for example, it simply is brilliant,we have a sun which provides light every day without fail. We have an intelligent mind to consider these things. Time, laws that keep things in order, I could go on, but to me it is very obviously and intelligently designed short of giving me a verbal hammer on the head,it's so obvious. I mean just look at how Jupiter protects us, just like a skull protects a brain ohhhh I agree they are great ,complex and wonderful things... but why did they need to have been designed? I still don't get where your coming from.... Yes they are great. But where is the Brilliant design? none of these things are nearly as Good as they could be with a God like you believe in. I am telling you I could do much better. I mean hey for the planet with my most loved creations I wouldn't put asteroids in the solar system... so I wouldn't need a Jupiter. and as for our mind... so what? a giraffe has a long neck and many other animals have things we don't have that are great. what is your point about the brain?
Why attack faith?
Faith is moving one's beliefs into action, even when one does not want to do certain things. Nothing to do with this! I am not attacking faith! I am simply saying that all these things you are talking about are based around it. are they not? (note: you can not say the same for me as I am an Agnostic I do not have true beliefs) [This message has been edited by DC85, 09-07-2003]
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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That's a low opinion isn't it? do you see any other creatures inventing something as bizarre as the evc forum, or a p.c, or a car e.t.c. Are you saying our minds are 'so what'. Or a Davinci painting, he couldn't have done those paintings without a mind! Exactly So what?..... can you eat leaves off the top of a tree? can you Run 60 mph?(not sure of metric I don't feel like converting but I am refering to a cheetah) etc... I don't think so. every creature has something amazing Our mind is not better. We simply have something no other creature has. Its not better its just different and amazing.
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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How come we're the ones who dominate the planet?
Remember, they may have a physical ability to do things greater than an unaided man. But God has given man intellect, something more useful than all animal abilities put together. Using intellect, people can go faster than a cheetah. Your point being what? that Intelligence is more amazing then super speed? Why do you think its a gift? Yes I agree our intelligence is the reason for our success. What makes it better then super Speed? Again so what? We can think and cheetahs can run 60mph.... I still don't understand why you think Intelligence is so great that it must be a gift. Also we aren't the most successful creatures and the most dominate. I think you should take a look at some little critters in your front lawn. [This message has been edited by DC85, 09-09-2003]
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 71 of 107 (54655)
09-09-2003 11:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by balyons
09-09-2003 9:23 PM
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intangible- love, friendship, self-sacrifice, faith, hope...How do we know these are here? All you have to do is feel them and see the results of their existence. Yes I too have had these Feelings. However I am not sure what to call them. If they even are anything special at all. Love is simply a strong emotional Attachment to something. Nothing more nothing less (example some birds mate for life........) As an agnostic I have no true faith in much. Hope is simply selfish Behavior sometimes what we call love is also selfish which animals have . self-sacrifice... hmmmm did you know parent animals will give up their lives for there young? are these Suppose to make me think Humans are better then other animals? If so I don't see it.
Pandas eat bamboo- maybe they are vegetarians. People could be omnivorous too, but many choose not to be
Wow you figured out they Eat plants!(sorry) Pandas are unable to decide things like this as was said Minds like ours are unique to Humans. A Human can say I won't eat meat Because I don't like the killing of animals. A panda Can't.
who are you to call any parts of His design poor? Have you tried any other way?
No we haven't tried any other way but we do know other ways would be better.
Maybe having seperate food and air pipes would be dangerous or impractical. Maybe He simply liked the way they looked. He is creative, artistic in the ultimate sense.
so you are admitting God isn't intelligent to know better? Because it looks good is a pretty stupid reason to me. Does he not care?
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Other species may be more populous, yes, but humans dominate the planet. We use the other species as labour, we keep them as pets, we use their produce, we keep them in cages for entertainment or study, and if another species should threaten us, we wipe it out.
your Point is? this makes us better how? as I said the Humans aren't better then other Species we just have something they don't. And they have things we don't. ours just happens to prove alittle more useful and it seems you pointed out more destructive.
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 87 of 107 (55262)
09-13-2003 4:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 86 by MeCCaniX
09-13-2003 12:16 PM
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I won't say I don't believe in God and I won't say I do. (or think) I am talking about the bible Because most here are christens. But I agree finding other life wouldn't make God out of the question.
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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so when man first sinned(which if you read it you can see they really didn't but thats another subject) God changed his design to punish them? The reason we have survived is Because as we said it is good enough but still not great or as great as it could be if it where designed. And doesn't sin and evil also show bad design? [This message has been edited by DC85, 09-14-2003]
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