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defenderofthefaith
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Message 26 of 107 (53158)
09-01-2003 5:22 AM


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if Other Life in the Universe is Discovered wouldn't this pose a Problem for the Bible? which seems to say the earth is the Center of the Universe. and if Intelligent Life is found(like us) wouldn't this Falsify us Being the most perfect creation? Please creationists Post!
Dear DC85
If other sentient life was discovered, it would cause problems for literal, Bible-believing Christianity. Exactly why I will not bring up unless you really want to get all epistemological. That's why I don't believe aliens exist.
As Agent Uranium pointed out, sophisticated sentient life elsewhere in the universe would cause as many - if not more - problems for evolution. It happened by chance here, and in other places, all in the same approximate time frame? Agent Uranium has a good point here. Non-sentient life would also cause problems for evolution, but not as many for creationism or Christianity, because non-sentient beings wouldn't have the opportunity to choose sin or rebellion, etc.
DC85, what dinosaur is that on your avatar?
Dr Cresswell, you sound like a creationist. Am I right?
By the way, we're still talking about if other sentient life is discovered. How long have SETI been looking...?

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 29 of 107 (53822)
09-04-2003 6:47 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by nator
09-01-2003 9:11 AM


Dear schrafinator,
The Bible does indicate that Earth is the centre of the universe, at least in matters of God's purpose, and possibly physically also. ( No, I'm a heliocentrist! Really!) I can also infer from the Bible that aliens do not exist, and science is also involved, because there is no scientific basis for aliens' existence.
The chances against evolution producing the multitude of efficient creatures on this earth alone are impossible. Agent Uranium believes it is possible, but he does see the way that similar evolution producing all these works of art on other worlds as well, in the same cosmic timeframe as that in which we exist, would raise further issues with probability.
You are completely correct in saying that the very existence of aliens would contradict the Bible. Yet we have found not the least primitive molecule.

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 30 of 107 (53823)
09-04-2003 6:52 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by DC85
09-01-2003 11:02 AM


Dear DC85,
Not "bored", I would say. He's naturally creative and likes working with His hands. "The heavens declare the glory of God" - Psalm 19:1 - and I think that big universe is there for our pleasure, His glory, and study purposes, etc. Just imagine how we'd feel in big black emptiness with a sun, the earth, and nothing else.
A spinosaurus, hmmm? Looks like a carnivore with one of those big fans.
Yours sincerely,
Defender of the Faith

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 37 of 107 (53989)
09-05-2003 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by nator
09-04-2003 8:52 PM


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So, if you are a heliocentrist, do you ackowledge that the Bible is in error about the Earth being the center of the solar system?
I have not seen such a claim in the Bible.
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Uh, what parts of the bible indicate anything about space aliens or our lack thereof?
(Steels self)
Well, it's because of humans' original sin that evil and death exist in the world today. And the Bible says "the whole creation groans and labours" (Romans 8:22). So all of creation is cursed, yet why would any aliens be part of it if they didn't have anything to do with the rebellion? If they are sinful, Jesus became a human - not an alien - and died only once on the Cross to save humanity from condemnation. Thus aliens would not be included. The non-inclusion of any aliens in this salvation, meaning that they'd be doomed, indicates that there aren't any. This is why the Bible excludes the possibility of aliens.
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No. The more planets we have, the more likely it is that life could occur on one of them, not less likely.
More chances to happen, you know.
Statistically the chances are not good of there even being a life-supporting planet in the first place. There are certain parameters required to support life - galaxy size, location, star type, size, location, star luminosity change relative to speciation, carbonate producing creatures, methanogens, Earth's distance from the sun, planetary gravity... etc. I could list them all if you want or just give you the source: Muncaster, Ralph. A Skeptic's Search for God. Eugene, Oregon: Harvest House Publishers, 2002.
Anyway, estimated probabilities calculated together give a chance of 10 raised to the negative 166th power of a life-supporting planet like Earth forming at random. (Although we're looking for another besides Earth.) The estimated total possible number of planets in the universe is only 10 to the 22nd power. (Indeed, I believe the entire estimated number of electrons in the observable universe is 10 raised to the eightysomething power...) With all that one would have enough problems explaining Earth, much less another fertile world.

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 65 of 107 (54538)
09-09-2003 6:35 AM


So, if we're no better than cheetahs or giraffes...
[thinks]
How come we're the ones who dominate the planet?
Remember, they may have a physical ability to do things greater than an unaided man. But God has given man intellect, something more useful than all animal abilities put together. Using intellect, people can go faster than a cheetah.

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 73 of 107 (54882)
09-11-2003 6:34 AM


It occurred to me that shared wind and food pipes make it possible for us to breathe through both of them - in case one receptacle is blocked. That seems like a safe premise to me.
Other species may be more populous, yes, but humans dominate the planet. We use the other species as labour, we keep them as pets, we use their produce, we keep them in cages for entertainment or study, and if another species should threaten us, we wipe it out.

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 88 of 107 (55354)
09-14-2003 6:41 AM


Shimbabwe, you deserve applause. You have a very good point there.
Creation perspective:
God created everything perfect. Why do we have bad things? Because of man's sin and the resulting curse on the world. Read Genesis 3. You see that thorns and such only came about because humans' rebellion caused sin to enter the world.
If joined food and air pipes are such a bad design, how come we humans didn't become extinct long ago because of the mutations and natural selection process producing better designs? Humans with stronger bones or choke-proof air/food pipes would out-perform Homo Sapiens. The only reason we have imperfections is because of the Curse. If Adam and Eve hadn't sinned, God's perfect design would never have been corrupted.

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