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cavediver
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Message 124 of 167 (498645)
02-12-2009 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by General Anubis
02-12-2009 8:12 AM


Re: One of the most pathetic lists I've ever seen
here in Job it speaks of the Pleiades and Orion star clusters. Actually, here the Bible states that these star clusters are gravitationally bound, and the Orion cluster is slowly drifting apart, which has been proven true by modern-day astronomy. Pretty impressive for what you are supposing are some delusional nomad shepherds in the desert.
And
If you're referring to Revelations at the end of the Earth, then why do you assume that this means literal stars in the sky? It was written by a man from Bible days looking into what we now know as current day, or perhaps even further into the future. What looked like stars coming out of the sky to him could be missiles from fighter jets or any bright object coming quickly down to the earth, probably in an explosion.
I'm sorry, but did you keep a straight face when you wrote those two? And you have the audacity to use the word "pathetic" - I think you need to look to yourself
You also seem to think that the Bible could not possibly contradict itself, and use this "fact" to push your arguments further. Why should anyone accept your claim that the Bible does not contradict itself, given the rather plentiful evidence that it does?
I also note that many of your "refutations" involve contradicting the beliefs of our creationist friends here at EvC. I trust you will be taking them to task over their belief, in much the way you have addressed this list?
Oh, and welcome to EvC...
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cavediver
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Message 151 of 167 (498696)
02-12-2009 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by General Anubis
02-12-2009 3:41 PM


Re: One of the most pathetic lists I've ever seen
The important thing to note, however, is that believing the Bible is the inerrant word of God and being born again (and redeemed from your sins) are the only requirements for entering heaven.
so believing that the Bible is inerrant is a requirement for entering heaven! There's going to be a very large bunch of highly pissed-off born-again Christians, who just weren't big on that inerrancy crap, languishing in hell
So, while a belief in young-earth creationism may be scientifically unsound, the fact remains that they are still Christian. Therefore, the majority of my effort is directed toward countering evolutionist claims in an attempt to pull just one more out of the fire.
so "evolutionists" cannot be Christians? What about all my close friends at T. Baptist Church in South London, each a scientist, each very much in agreement with the theory of evolution, and each an evangelical born-again Christian? Are they for hell, too?
And as a scientist, and someone who was a born-again Christian for twenty-four years, I'm pissing myself laughing at your dismissal of YECism as scientifically unsound You wouldn't know "sound" if it was slapping you round the face with a fresh lobster
Anyway, back to your idiocy:
The Pleiades and Orion clusters are actually written out fully-named as such in the Bible, not just referenced as 'stars'. This reference is made in Job, where God himself is speaking and asking Job (and his friends) who else can "bind the chains of Pleiades, or loose the cords of Orion?"
Really? And what exactly would the Orion "cluster" be? And it is written out fully-named in the Bible? Wow, I didn't know that it even existed! And as an astrophysicist, I really would have thought I would have known that...
Here's a quick snippet from Wiki (I know, I hate it too, but it is useful):
quote:
Also, like most open clusters, the Pleiades will not stay gravitationally bound forever, as some component stars will be ejected after close encounters and others will be stripped by tidal gravitational fields. Calculations suggest that the cluster will take about 250 million years to disperse, with gravitational interactions with giant molecular clouds and the spiral arms of the galaxy also hastening its demise.
Look's like God is wrong again, huh? Omniscience just isn't what it used to be...
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cavediver
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Message 163 of 167 (498750)
02-13-2009 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by General Anubis
02-13-2009 12:37 PM


Re: One of the most pathetic lists I've ever seen
Star cluster NGC 1981 makes up a portion of the lower half of the Orion constellation.
A "portion" ??? It's 25-30 arcminutes across compared to Orion's body height of ~1000 arcminutes. It's a small splodge of stars just above M42 (the Orion Nebula) You really want to claim that God was refering to NGC 1981 when he used the term "Orion"? Just how desperate are you?

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